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Iliad fragment found in Roman-era mummy

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Re: Iliad fragment found in Roman-era mummy

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I Hope more and more fragments of anything lost is found. The burn down of Alexandria library was a pity

For some reason, there is a gigantic and ancient monastery on Mount Sinai with a commensurate collection of ancient manuscripts and papyri. Totally coincidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Catherine%27s_Monastery#... How did all that stuff get up there? It was holy angels. #itsalwaysangels

I don't get the point of this comment. What are you implying?

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wtf I’m going to wager that this is a local myth. Just using corpses as fuel feels a bit antithetical to human traditions

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The trick is to find non-white people so indifferent to their traditions and culture* that they’ll sell it to white supremacists for material gain.

*Also did 19th century Muslim Egyptians really consider mummies part of “their” culture? Or is the idea of “Egypt” also a White imperialist imposition?

Re: Iliad fragment found in Roman-era mummy

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Sadly, the article says nothing about how old the fragment is or how it compares to other early copies of the Iliad. Somewhat amazingly, the earliest complete copy of the Iliad is from around 950 C.E. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetus_A

Most complete copies of anything were destroyed by the end of the ancient world. So that is not a surprise. Even the bible that most people considered sacred only has copies from the 4th century and at one point the only Hebrew sources available were from the middle ages.

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The trick is to find non-white people so indifferent to their traditions and culture* that they’ll sell it to white supremacists for material gain. *Also did 19th century Muslim Egyptians really consider mummies part of “their” culture? Or is the idea of “Egypt” also a White imperialist imposition?

We're specifically talking about the British Empire and its attitude towards colonized people and cultures. I'm sure that Muslim Egyptians had their own prejudice, but Muslim Egyptian prejudice didn't inform British people's alienation and dehumanization of non-white cultures whereas white supremacy did. They didn't use mummies for firewood, to garnish their soup or grind them into paint because Egyptian Muslims considered them pagans or whatever.

I don't know why you're being so defensive, this is just history.

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Evidence for this common myth is lacking. https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/the-great-library-of-a...

People say this without any evidence. This ai-post is just regurgitating hn-thread "received wisdom". The evidence for the existence of a library is thin and hard to piece together, but points to more than a myth. I appreciate that people want real proof of anything, but dumping an ai-slop summary is hardly doing any better than accepting the existence of a large library.

I have seen several real historians say the same thing. I'm not a historian myself, but when I see professors of history in various institutions saying something, I tend to suspect they actually have a consensus, although as others pointed out, maybe it's not a consensus and I would have no way of knowing.

I'm not doubting the library existed and it was destroyed possibly burned more than once but the common trope that Christians did it does not seem to be backed up by history.

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Historical consensus? So the non scientific view? Science is not consensus based.

If you want to know what the science says on some topic, you have exactly two valid options: 1. Become an expert in said topic, reading the broad literature, becoming familiar with points and counterpoints, figuring out how research actually works in the field by contributing some papers of your own, and forming your own personal informed opinion on the preponderance of the evidence. 2. Look at the experts' consensus…

If you are not in the field, consensus is often almost impossible to figure out. Remember what gets published is things that are controversial. Thus, things that have consensus are things that are going to be silent in literature if you search for it. Thus, if you're searching for something, you may not actually find the consensus if you're looking, and so the study is hard when you're not already an expert.

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It was a little before that even. Greek was the language of most fields of learning besides law in the Roman Empire. But the Greeks themselves wrote works on these papyrus scrolls that crumbled fast, so anything not actively used by the Romans was quickly lost. There's a good chance that if the papyrus scrolls in any library (Alexandria or otherwise) weren't being copied regularly they were crumbling even before they…

What’s the evidence Boethius wasn’t Christian? Wikipedia says he was.

Boethius was a Christian. He wrote a book explaining the Trinity, for example (De Trinitate). The work for which he is most famous today, the Consolation of Philosophy, does not mention Christ by name, which have led some to speculate that he lost his faith later in life. There is an absence of direct evidence for that claim.

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Only in the beginning, in the wake of the Greek Bronze Age dark age, was Homeric epic an improvised oral tradition that could be tailored to a listening audience’s preferences. By fifth-century Athens, writers depict the text as already definite, composed by one guy named Homer (instead of a long series of anonymous bards). Greeks may still have been learning and passing on Homer orally, but it was as a text that one…

Alexander the Great (died 323 bc) famously kept a copy of the Iliad under his pillow.

That's how I learned Calculus.

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Evidence for this common myth is lacking. https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/the-great-library-of-a...

People say this without any evidence. This ai-post is just regurgitating hn-thread "received wisdom". The evidence for the existence of a library is thin and hard to piece together, but points to more than a myth. I appreciate that people want real proof of anything, but dumping an ai-slop summary is hardly doing any better than accepting the existence of a large library.

What bothers me is the Vatican library. It's too vulnerable to fire. There should be staff taking photos of the pages, and store those copies elsewhere.

Yes, you can quickly photograph an entire book with a phone camera. No, you do not need archivists to do it. No, you do not need a scanner. No, you do not need special lighting.

Don't believe me? Pick a book of yours, open it, and take a photo with your phone.

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