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New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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I gotta say, I love my macbooks. Every Apple laptop I've owned that has USB-C ports will happily charge itself from a 5V/1.5A wall charger (albeit extremely slowly).

That hasn’t been my experience. I once tried to charge an M3 MBP via a lower powered wall plug. It was left off over night and the following morning the battery was still at 1%.

What did it start at?

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Theoretically yes, practically that hasn't been built yet. I've only seen it for 2.5Gbase-T, and only for 802.3bt Type 3 (51W). If anyone's aware of something better, I'd be interested too :) (Then again I wouldn't voluntarily use 5Gb-T or 10Gb-T anyway, and ≈50W is enough for most use cases.) [ed.: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807960919319.html ("2.5GPD2CBT-20V" variant) - actually 2.5G not 1G as I wrote initi…

Eh. A lot of laptops won't accept less than 60w My work laptop won't accept less than 90w (A modern HP, i7 155h with a random low end GPU) At first everyone at the office just assumed that the USB C wasn't able to charge the pc

The issue might not be the wattage bit rather the minimum voltage. (Some?) Macs seems to charge at 15v already, most laptops need 20v

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gotta say, I love my macbooks. Every Apple laptop I've owned that has USB-C ports will happily charge itself from a 5V/1.5A wall charger (albeit extremely slowly).

That hasn’t been my experience. I once tried to charge an M3 MBP via a lower powered wall plug. It was left off over night and the following morning the battery was still at 1%.

Note:

Some devices expect USB-A on the charger side instead of C

USB-A pump out 1A5V(5W) regardless of what's connected to it, then it negotiate higher power if available.

USB C-C does not give any power if the receiving device is not able to negotiate it

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Theoretically yes, practically that hasn't been built yet. I've only seen it for 2.5Gbase-T, and only for 802.3bt Type 3 (51W). If anyone's aware of something better, I'd be interested too :) (Then again I wouldn't voluntarily use 5Gb-T or 10Gb-T anyway, and ≈50W is enough for most use cases.) [ed.: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807960919319.html ("2.5GPD2CBT-20V" variant) - actually 2.5G not 1G as I wrote initi…

Eh. A lot of laptops won't accept less than 60w My work laptop won't accept less than 90w (A modern HP, i7 155h with a random low end GPU) At first everyone at the office just assumed that the USB C wasn't able to charge the pc

They probably require higher voltages but I havent seen one myself. I usually just charge y laptop with my phone charger, what is it, 18 watts? Don't care, charges my laptop and the phone that is plugged into it overnight. Why charge at faster speeds when there is no need to

Laptop charges fine regular 5V as well.

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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I have a RTL8157 5 Gbps adapter from CableMatters. Interestingly it seems to get burning hot on the MacBook M1 Pro while it remains cool on the M5 Pro model. Maybe the workload is different, but I would not rule out some sort of hardware or driver difference. I only use a 1G port on my router at the moment.

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Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Low-cost devices are exactly where 10/100 is still widely used. On PCs, it's a common power-saving mode.

For those of us who don’t know, how does it save power vs a 1gbe running at low throughput?

I assume it is for wake-on-LAN. This of course requires the NIC being powered on while the system is sleeping. Lower bandwidth mode = less power draw.

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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A Framework expansion card was also announced this week. https://frame.work/nl/en/products/wisdpi-10g-ethernet-expans...

That link notes: "Card supports 10Gbit/s and 10/100/1000/2500/5000/10000Mbit/s Ethernet" Nice to see; some NICs are shedding 10/100 support. Apparently, it's not necessary to do this, even in a low cost device.

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Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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However — unlike copper twisted pair — the bandwidth current fiber media can carry is nearly limited by nothing but the optics at each end.

That doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem. What probably would is something like having PCIe and USB to 1Gbps fiber adapters that cost $5.

You've been able to get Intel X520 NICs [0], with transceivers included for ~40USD on Newegg for a long time. This is a little more than double the price of Newegg's cheapest single-port 10/100/1000 copper card, but even the cheapest available such card is three times your "chicken and egg"-solving price point.

I suspect the combination of the absence of cheap-o all-in-one AP/router combo boxes with any SFP+ cages and fiber cabling's reputation of being extremely fragile have much more to do with its scarcity at the extremely low end of networking gear than anything else.

[0] This is a two-port SFP+ PCI Express card

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Is it also possible to power a laptop through those adapters? PoE++ can deliver up to 100W of power, more than enough for most laptops.

I can’t find what you want, but you can buy PoE splitters. PoE in, ethernet and power out.

Surely a matter of time until someone does this…

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