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New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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That link notes: "Card supports 10Gbit/s and 10/100/1000/2500/5000/10000Mbit/s Ethernet" Nice to see; some NICs are shedding 10/100 support. Apparently, it's not necessary to do this, even in a low cost device.

Low-cost devices are exactly where 10/100 is still widely used. On PCs, it's a common power-saving mode.

TVs too.

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Theoretically yes, practically that hasn't been built yet. I've only seen it for 2.5Gbase-T, and only for 802.3bt Type 3 (51W). If anyone's aware of something better, I'd be interested too :) (Then again I wouldn't voluntarily use 5Gb-T or 10Gb-T anyway, and ≈50W is enough for most use cases.) [ed.: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807960919319.html ("2.5GPD2CBT-20V" variant) - actually 2.5G not 1G as I wrote initi…

Eh. A lot of laptops won't accept less than 60w My work laptop won't accept less than 90w (A modern HP, i7 155h with a random low end GPU) At first everyone at the office just assumed that the USB C wasn't able to charge the pc

I gotta say, I love my macbooks. Every Apple laptop I've owned that has USB-C ports will happily charge itself from a 5V/1.5A wall charger (albeit extremely slowly).

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Is it also possible to power a laptop through those adapters? PoE++ can deliver up to 100W of power, more than enough for most laptops.

The idea of a POE Mac mini makes me happy. It would be a nice way of power cycling it from the switch, tidier than the smart plug I have.

https://hackaday.com/2023/08/14/adding-power-over-ethernet-s...

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Theoretically yes, practically that hasn't been built yet. I've only seen it for 2.5Gbase-T, and only for 802.3bt Type 3 (51W). If anyone's aware of something better, I'd be interested too :) (Then again I wouldn't voluntarily use 5Gb-T or 10Gb-T anyway, and ≈50W is enough for most use cases.) [ed.: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807960919319.html ("2.5GPD2CBT-20V" variant) - actually 2.5G not 1G as I wrote initi…

Eh. A lot of laptops won't accept less than 60w My work laptop won't accept less than 90w (A modern HP, i7 155h with a random low end GPU) At first everyone at the office just assumed that the USB C wasn't able to charge the pc

A Mac mini at home used 4.64w averaged over the last 30 days. Even under load it just sips power.

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Eh. A lot of laptops won't accept less than 60w My work laptop won't accept less than 90w (A modern HP, i7 155h with a random low end GPU) At first everyone at the office just assumed that the USB C wasn't able to charge the pc

I gotta say, I love my macbooks. Every Apple laptop I've owned that has USB-C ports will happily charge itself from a 5V/1.5A wall charger (albeit extremely slowly).

That hasn’t been my experience. I once tried to charge an M3 MBP via a lower powered wall plug. It was left off over night and the following morning the battery was still at 1%.

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Eh. A lot of laptops won't accept less than 60w My work laptop won't accept less than 90w (A modern HP, i7 155h with a random low end GPU) At first everyone at the office just assumed that the USB C wasn't able to charge the pc

Great. So we got EU laws to mandate USB-C chargers and then get manufacturers that flaunt the spirit of the law by rejecting lower wattages.

My laptop refuses to charge for 45W chargers as well, but I can almost understand it.

When plugged into 100W chargers while powered on, it takes ten minutes to gain a single percentage point. Idle in power save may let me charge the thing in a few hours. If I start playing video, the battery slowly drains.

If your laptop is part space heater, like most laptops with Nvidia GPUs in them seem to be, using a low power adapter like that is pretty useless.

Also, 100W chargers are what, 25 euros these days? An OEM charger costs about 120 so the USB-C plan still works out.

Other manufacturers do similar things. Apple accepts lower wattage chargers (because that's what they sell themselves) but they ignore two power negotiation standards and only supports the very latest, which isn't in many affordable chargers, limiting the fast charge capacity for third parties.

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That link notes: "Card supports 10Gbit/s and 10/100/1000/2500/5000/10000Mbit/s Ethernet" Nice to see; some NICs are shedding 10/100 support. Apparently, it's not necessary to do this, even in a low cost device.

Low-cost devices are exactly where 10/100 is still widely used. On PCs, it's a common power-saving mode.

For those of us who don’t know, how does it save power vs a 1gbe running at low throughput?

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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A Framework expansion card was also announced this week. https://frame.work/nl/en/products/wisdpi-10g-ethernet-expans...

That link notes: "Card supports 10Gbit/s and 10/100/1000/2500/5000/10000Mbit/s Ethernet" Nice to see; some NICs are shedding 10/100 support. Apparently, it's not necessary to do this, even in a low cost device.

100 mode saved me once when I really really really needed to have a connection in that moment, but the ethernet cable glued to the wall that I was using had only three out of eight wires even functioning.

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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The problem with fibre isn't the sensitivity. It's that most endpoints have a 1Gbps copper port on them and then Cat6A ports can be used with the common devices but also allow you to add or relocate 10Gbps devices without rewiring the building again.

In practice though 10G via copper requires pretty perfect terminations. The slightest error leads to crosstalk issues.

Ymmv. I've got a mix of cheap premade patch cables and some I crimped from solid core, all cat5e, all holding 10gbe totally happily. I suspect that only works because they're a meter or two long but that reaches across the rack.

Re: New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

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Is it also possible to power a laptop through those adapters? PoE++ can deliver up to 100W of power, more than enough for most laptops.

I found a 5gbe one that claimed 60W, will power a phone but not the low power laptop I've got here. It probably isn't far off.
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