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Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Post by Danox »

dangus wrote: post #89

I grow tired of the MacBook Neo gloating and almost like a light version of bragging in articles like this. It's coded as a critique of the iPad but it feels a lot more like "I'm typing this on a MacBook Neo and it's oh soo amazing!" Apple is essentially selling the modern version of the eMac, and I would say the Neo is almost as bad of a purchase as that product. The real selling point of the device is that it's new…

The Mac Neo is a great product for a large percentage of people out there who wanted to get a Mac that is well made and affordable it is very usable for the overwhelming majority of non tech people that want to use a personal computer today. Most of the tech sites were skeptical still are but thank goodness Apple didn’t listen to them.

The same applies to the iPad. It is fine the way it is if I personally wanted a laptop, I would’ve bought one but my preference is a desktop computer.

I don’t sit around wishing every laptop computer was a desktop computer nor do I want an iPad to be a laptop or even a desktop computer it is what it is had purchase, if you don’t like it just buy what you want, the Neo appears to be a hit, so it appears that Apple knows what they’re doing again.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Post by jayd16 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #103
cjtrowbridge wrote: post #93

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(this is how android has always worked)

No? Android has the same interface regardless, it just scales a little with a bigger screen. Samsung did separate silos with Dex, but that's their own thing.

Maybe they only ever get Samsung devices. Dex is almost a decade old.

A desktop mode was recently added for base Android tho. And you could always mod your Android device to open termux when you connected an external monitor, that sort of thing.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Post by dawnerd »

QuiEgo wrote: post #81

My dream is having an “app” on ipadOS that switches out userland from ipadOS to macOS when launched. Let them be two silos, containers, VMs, whatever. Only allow “Mac mode” if you have a keyboard and monitor attached. Hell, automatically “sleep” it if you undock. Make it unapologetically keyboard-and-mouse first. One UI for keyboard/mouse. A second UI for touch. One device that can do it all. That’s the dream. I feel…

I agree except for the monitor attached part. There’s so reason my iPad Pro with that expensive keyboard and trackpad can’t run macOS. I had such dreams Of using it as a laptop replacement and all it’s ended up being is a very expensive portable monitor.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Post by dredmorbius »

zozbot234 wrote: post #114
dredmorbius wrote: post #102

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That worked with a stylus rather than fingertip input. The stylus has a finer point-resolution than a finger, making for more effective touch actions. I do miss my old PalmOS devices....

Plenty of tablets and touchscreens support stylus input though, including Apple Pencil.

That wasn't my point.

Graffiti is not possible without a stylus, or at the very least is vastly less effective.

Android and iOS are both "finger first" interfaces. You can use a stylus, but you don't have to. And everything is designed around finger-fatness. Icons, gestures, on-screen keyboard.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Post by musictubes »

bigyabai wrote: post #104
musictubes wrote: post #97

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Audio apps on the iPad show that this isn’t the case. The iPad has an incredible amount of amazing audio apps that simply don’t exist and/or are much cheaper than on other platforms. Some of that is due to the great audio performance from day one but a lot of it can be chalked up to the lack of piracy. There are a seemingly endless number of synths, effects, sequencers, etc. in the App Store. It’s a relative ghost to…

The iPad's Audio Unit applications unfortunately pale in comparison to even simple desktop plugins. You won't find any Vital or Serum-killers on the App Store, and you definitely won't find software like full-fat Spectrasonics or the U-He instruments. The iPad can do some audio work, but once you stop using it as a digital 8-track or a MIDI machine, you are instantly outclassed by even a $300 Windows laptop running R…

The iPad excels in performance. Like I said, if you're using a DAW a regular computer is better. The fact remains that audio apps for the iPad are plentiful and cheap. The App Store only approach has made the iPad a more attractive target than Android by a mile. The iPad apps are also screaming deals.

Your comment summarizes the people's inability to appreciate the iPad on its own terms. "You can't run Pro Tools!" is such a silly complaint. Moog, Waldorf, Arturia, Roland, Akai, Eventide, etc etc etc they are all on the App Store and work very well by touch. There are of course a ton of indie apps as well. No, they may not be as "powerful" as some of the ones you mentioned but they are designed to work in a different way than the computer plugins do. And they are priced much much cheaper. Use a computer for computer workflows, use the iPad for things that it does better.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Post by icehawk »

jabwd wrote: post #109
dyauspitr wrote: post #105

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I like what the iPad is and it just doesn’t make sense to have a keyboard and mouse with it. Let’s leave the tablets as is and use laptops for serious typing.

Cool, I think they're pointless slabs of wasted material. If I could run macOS on a macbook neo so should I be able to on an iPad, and it would make it a useful device because I do not have to spend all my time inside a terminal app to make it useful.

Cool, I don't. iPads are so useful for drawing, and I hate having to use a terminal app on an iPad.

Different horses for different courses.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Post by bigyabai »

musictubes wrote: post #126
bigyabai wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPad's Audio Unit applications unfortunately pale in comparison to even simple desktop plugins. You won't find any Vital or Serum-killers on the App Store, and you definitely won't find software like full-fat Spectrasonics or the U-He instruments. The iPad can do some audio work, but once you stop using it as a digital 8-track or a MIDI machine, you are instantly outclassed by even a $300 Windows laptop running R…

The iPad excels in performance. Like I said, if you're using a DAW a regular computer is better. The fact remains that audio apps for the iPad are plentiful and cheap. The App Store only approach has made the iPad a more attractive target than Android by a mile. The iPad apps are also screaming deals. Your comment summarizes the people's inability to appreciate the iPad on its own terms. "You can't run Pro Tools!" is…

This is a cop-out argument, though. I own an iPad, I know that it handles virtual MIDI and recording fine. So does my smartphone! It does not have world-class plugins for synthesis, recording or even performance if we're being honest with ourselves. Without velocity sensitivity or aftertouch, it's already less expressive than a $200 keyboard.

> Use a computer for computer workflows, use the iPad for things that it does better.

The iPad is a computer. I could be using the iPad for both but Apple won't let me, so now I have another cruddy MIDI controller that doesn't run Bitwig.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Post by jmull »

I use an ipad pro with the keyboard/trackpad case daily.

I find the combo of keyboard, pointer, touch, and pencil interfaces very useful.

The touch interface is even useful sometimes when remoted in to a desktop.

The biggest thing wrong with ipads (and the reason I’ll probably never upgrade this old 2018 model) is the lack of macos.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Post by ukuina »

rchaud wrote: post #73
pixel_popping wrote: post #72

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I also wouldn't feel safe using Samsung forks for work related stuff where security is very sensitive.

DeX is not a fork. It is a UI layer on the phone that activates when you connect to a USB-C display. There is no difference between doing something on your phone and on DeX.

Pour one out for Samsung Knox
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