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Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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Context: a few weeks ago, Anthropic signed a deal to buy "multiple gigawatts of next-generation TPU capacity" from Google and Broadcom [1]. There have been several previous deals, too. Some people call this sort of thing a "circular deal", but perhaps a better way to think of it is as a very large-scale version of vendor financing? The simple version of vendor financing is when a vendor gives a retailer time to pay f…

it's your time..

~ TK

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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Would you mind sharing what you can and want about how the sausage is made? I would love to hear concrete cases where actual leverage is measurable. I‘m asking in good faith, not to attack your standpoint.

I would happily do so on a 1:1, private level. See bio for contact.

Sounds like you're about to give the OP a hard sell on a course or some other BS.

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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My $0.02: Competing against exp(t/2) + exp(t/2) is much much easier than exp(t/2+t/2)=exp(t). (If anthropic didn't exist, ØpenAI would suck up all the capital and talent in the room. Anthropic's existence has helped divide capital+talent that'd otherwise be gobbled up by the single fastest growing player.)

Come to Gehenna 666. Loosen your tongue. The tongue is Iniquity.

~ TK

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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It is very difficult for me to see any amount of money being thrown at Anthropic as a bad idea. The amount of new revenue that I am personally able to create for my clients, using Claude models for dev, and Claude models inside the insanely agile products delivered, is astounding. If I was not currently experiencing this myself, and someone told me that this was possible, I would be calling them names.

Same with Codex and very soon with open source & local models. Training great models (for coding and similar tasks) seems to be a question of scale and not much more.

It is likely that 99% of the value created by Anthropic / OpenAI / friends will go the end user. Which is great news.

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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What does that mean?

> What does that mean? I really couldn't have been more obscure, could I? :P In 1932, "the first oil field in the Persian Gulf outside of Iran" was discovered in Bahrain [1]. (The same year Saudi Arabia announced unification [2].) In the end, Saudi Arabia had larger reserves and wound up geopolitically dominating its first-moving rival. In commodities, the game tends to be scale in part through land grabbing. Less wh…

Plus the whole thing of first mover advantage being a myth, especially in the tech industry

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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Context: a few weeks ago, Anthropic signed a deal to buy "multiple gigawatts of next-generation TPU capacity" from Google and Broadcom [1]. There have been several previous deals, too. Some people call this sort of thing a "circular deal", but perhaps a better way to think of it is as a very large-scale version of vendor financing? The simple version of vendor financing is when a vendor gives a retailer time to pay f…

Reciprocal agreements aren't new, sometimes they're used to gain access to a market the other party already has established a foothold in for other industry segments. These companies operate in the same general industry: tech/internet so it could be complementary services they are each after. So far both of these companies have shown they suck at support so we know that's not it. It could be that it might help Anthro…

Funny how Gemini generally takes into account all the words you type whereas Google search tends to ignore most words you type or otherwise direct you to results for thematically (or grammatically or semantically) similar words to what you searched but otherwise wholly irrelevant.

Google crippling search to bolster AI is a dangerous game. But without people going to competitors, what's the recourse?

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> Security is less or no concern [waits for chickens to come home to roost]

When attackers can move laterally through everything because every internal tool leaks credentials and data there will be issues.

Internal tool Doesn’t have credential. Checkmate ;)

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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It is very difficult for me to see any amount of money being thrown at Anthropic as a bad idea. The amount of new revenue that I am personally able to create for my clients, using Claude models for dev, and Claude models inside the insanely agile products delivered, is astounding. If I was not currently experiencing this myself, and someone told me that this was possible, I would be calling them names.

You’re paying the subsidized cost. Those margins will shrink once the real bill comes due. I really think everyone will look back at this time as the golden area of cheap AI. We are already seeing the costs (and restrictions/limits) creep up with the Western models.

Compute has been getting exponentially cheaper nonstop for decades. Much more likely that current capabilities are effectively free within 5-10 years

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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I wonder if Google regrets publishing that article on transformers.

Urs used to talk (internally) about not publishing "industry-enabling papers" which is why most Google infrastructure papers were describing something that had already been turned off, or was already in the process of being replaced by the next system (GFS, Vitess, etc). The things that did get published were either considered not key advantages, that other companies simply cannot do, things that other companies woul…

> I also wonder if they are glad they published it

https://youtu.be/ue9MWfvMylE

Jeff Dean is asked this question by Geoffrey Hinton at 37:35 - might worth watching. Overall an interesting video.

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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It feels like Anthropic is everybody's insurance policy against someone else winning the AI race. So you have Amazon, Google, Microsoft basically every major tech company pushing their own tech hard but simultaneously ensuring they have a survival level stake in Anthropic if they can't build or acquire their way to stay at frontier level performance themselves.

Maybe it was never really about maximizing the model technology as the ultimate end goal and far more about the business side and infrastructure.

The software will only improve for so long before it hits a wall. The best models were just a proxy for early mainstream market adoption, keeping your head above the water … plus some useful marketing hype about longshots for developing something bigger than LLMs (“AGI”).

People who work in tech are biased to obsess about the technical side and short term uptime/performance outrage. Despite that being mostly just standard immature market issues.

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