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Re: Google Flow Music

#91

Given how much Google lives to mash their offerings together, and then sunset them, I live in fear of them killing Google Youtube Music (or whatever it's called), in favor of combining functionality with this, and having my music cycle between my actual library, and bespoke AI-generated stuff.

If I were a PM at Google trying to connect those two products, the far more obvious approach is the end of the creation pipeline having an "Upload to YouTube Music" button.

Re: Google Flow Music

#92
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know anything about these AI tools, but it seems to me like, the yield rates of all these AI media generators are exactly in the range of that of lootbox games. Kids "pull" it like slot machines for set prompt, keeping no more than 1% of outputs. The rest is just thrown away, only potentially useful as negative data. So 600 per month total is probably like just couples per month usable.

That’s a huge amount of messing around to get those handful of songs then. If only 1% are good, you’re pulling the lever 100x more than you should need to.

Putting commentary about AI media aside:

How many iterations (arrangements and recordings) do you think a typical Billboard pop song goes through before it's ready for a final mix and mastering?

Go find a YouTube of someone doing this work, it is kind of mind blowing. Given how expensive studio time is, you realize why it costs so much for a popular artist to produce a polished album.

Re: Google Flow Music

#93
post #73

The output is pretty terrible. Multiple attempts to get it to generate ambient music, and every time it pumps out a terrible dubstep beat. Like a strange form of Gell Mann amnesia, where all AI output is probably this bad, but if we don't know any better, we don't know just how bad it is.

Ask to to generate some music for airports.

Re: Google Flow Music

#94
post #73

The output is pretty terrible. Multiple attempts to get it to generate ambient music, and every time it pumps out a terrible dubstep beat. Like a strange form of Gell Mann amnesia, where all AI output is probably this bad, but if we don't know any better, we don't know just how bad it is.

I have found that every Ai music model I have tried (tried about 6 of them) can not for the life of it generate any good ambient music or like sad non upbeat music. They all try to revert to some sort of uptempo or beat drop of some sort. They can't just "chill out" so to speak

Re: Google Flow Music

#95
I hate this and I hate that they think it's what they should be doing.

If Google can't see the difference between this and useful, moral AI tools then I worry for their path forward.

Re: Google Flow Music

#96
post #54

Wow, such hate for anything AI. I haven't used it, I don't care to. But I have teenaged kids and I've seen them hang and tinker with tech and ai. They seem to love it. Sloppy humans create sloppy output. The AI is just an amplifier, it has no motive

There are things to hate about AI besides the slop it outputs. To name a few: - The training set being mostly art made be real humans without their consent or compensation - The work that is taken away from skilled, talented musicians - The environmental impact of global AI deployments - The further consolidation of power in the hands of the very few who DO have a motive

AI being "fun" for kids who aren't able to grasp the negative externalities of using AI doesn't make it something to admire

Re: Google Flow Music

#98
post #53

I've tried and couldn't make it sound like Angine de Poitrine, it completely ignores the microtones. Sounds more like Polyphia. It does look like AdP is the answer to AI.... or we haven't trained the models with sufficient microtones, likely due to western music influence.

AdP is the equivalent of pelicans on bicycles
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