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Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by ValentineC »

pdimitar wrote: post #161
nchmy wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get yourself a moka pot, aeropress or French press. Fantastic coffee for very cheap. Highly unlikely that 2-3 times a week will last though - either religiously stick to once a week or be open to drinking it daily.

I have a moka pot but I guess I am doing it wrong -- maybe I should not fill its coffee compartment to the brim? is there other way of doing it? -- because the coffee that gets out destroys me: heart palpitations, slight arrhythmia, headaches, and energy crash. I can't drink too much caffeine but light doses (i.e. the Americano) actually help me and energize me. It's really weird. What's good about the aero-press and…

> I have a moka pot but I guess I am doing it wrong -- maybe I should not fill its coffee compartment to the brim?

How big is your moka pot? A "4 cup" Bialetti takes around 16-18g of coffee, which isn't a lot.

No matter how dilute your end product is, the amount of caffeine consumed will roughly be about the same. But I guess diluting it means you take longer to consume all that caffeine.

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by ValentineC »

ses1984 wrote: post #182
pdimitar wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not gonna lie, this sounds like way too much work. What I am mostly looking for is some sort of an easy access to a diluted coffee like the Americano, really. I am OK with buying 1-2kg of beans because I am fairly sure that's going to last me 3-6 months. Cleaning the machine I've done in offices -- 3 minute job. But any more commitment just sounds tiring. I am not a coffee connoisseur by any stretch of the imaginatio…

You can get an over-the-cup pour over for ~$10-20, basic blade grinder for the same, and a pack of filters. That’s all you really need.

A cheap proper coffee hand grinder like a Timemore C2 would go so much further than a blade grinder that would shred the coffee beans up inconsistently.

(Buy used for even better value. Hand grinders last forever.)

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by jmhammond »

fedeb95 wrote: post #55

thirty-one participants were moderate coffee-drinkers (CD, i.e., people that usually consume between 3 to 5 cups of coffee per day). 3-5 is moderate? To me, 3 is already high. Also, sample size is pretty low and they're all Irish.

I drink “two cups a day.” But it’s like 24-30 ounces.

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by IAmBroom »

proggy wrote: post #148
rubslopes wrote: post #106

Was this thread invaded by AI? Casually reading the first comments, 3 different users mentioned they had a recent "mental health incident" related to caffeine?? Search this page for "mental health incident"

Possibly AI, possibly younger folks (18-24). “Mental health incident” is only one step removed from algospeak like “unalived”, “seggs”, and “neurospicy”. A detached, memetic phrase that has been implanted into the lexicon by a toxic brew of algorithmic social media moderation and heavy exposure to LLM conversational patterns.

Or maybe just because language patterns change over time. You need to be hep to the new jive, daddy-o.

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by m463 »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #38

After habitually consuming caffeine (not in coffee form) daily, usually multiple times a day, for more than a decade, a horrible mental health incident happened to me that forced me to stop it for a while. Afterwards I didn't resume the habit, and so I no longer have a tolerance. This has let me evaluate what caffeine does with fresh eyes, so to say, because I can now consume it occasionally while having many non-caf…

true coffee lovers drink decaf. (they can drink coffee often without or with fewer side effects)

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by michaelhoney »

pdimitar wrote: post #163
benhurmarcel wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially if you like Americanos, chances are you'll be happier with filter coffee from good beans, rather than spending it in an espresso machine. Get an Aeropress, or Hario Switch, or Clever dripper. A kettle and some filters. For beans buy from roasters that do light/meduim roasts, and print a recent roasting date on the package/website. The only expensive item should be a grinder, look at 1zpresso Q/Air/X or Kin…

Not gonna lie, this sounds like way too much work. What I am mostly looking for is some sort of an easy access to a diluted coffee like the Americano, really. I am OK with buying 1-2kg of beans because I am fairly sure that's going to last me 3-6 months. Cleaning the machine I've done in offices -- 3 minute job. But any more commitment just sounds tiring. I am not a coffee connoisseur by any stretch of the imaginatio…

If you are keen for a machine and you like it diluted, I recommend the Moccamaster. It’s a good-looking classic machine that you could definitely sell.

For a similar coffee with more manual work, get a Chemex

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by kulahan »

modo_mario wrote: post #45
kulahan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coffee in general is unreasonably healthy as a beverage. The overwhelming majority of science agrees it’s a quality health drink.

Non-industry funded science?

Correct

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by nchmy »

ValentineC wrote: post #231
pdimitar wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a moka pot but I guess I am doing it wrong -- maybe I should not fill its coffee compartment to the brim? is there other way of doing it? -- because the coffee that gets out destroys me: heart palpitations, slight arrhythmia, headaches, and energy crash. I can't drink too much caffeine but light doses (i.e. the Americano) actually help me and energize me. It's really weird. What's good about the aero-press and…

> I have a moka pot but I guess I am doing it wrong -- maybe I should not fill its coffee compartment to the brim? How big is your moka pot? A "4 cup" Bialetti takes around 16-18g of coffee, which isn't a lot. No matter how dilute your end product is, the amount of caffeine consumed will roughly be about the same. But I guess diluting it means you take longer to consume all that caffeine.

That doesn't make sense, as my 1 cup takes 10g and 3 cup takes 30g.

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by nchmy »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #144
nchmy wrote: post #141

It's always amusing to read the self-narratives of a bunch of unacknowledged drug addicts when links like this get posted.

It has some genuine benefits though like for liver health, for example [1]. Alcohol does the opposite. [1] https://britishlivertrust.org.uk/information-and-support/liv...

There's a study that'll say pretty much anything. That's not my point though. Just that most people talking that get enthused about any of this are drug addicts who refuse to recognize it.

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by culi »

rapidaneurism wrote: post #29
testemailfordg2 wrote: post #26

Funded by the Institute for Scientific Information on Coffee (ISIC) — an industry body — which is a notable conflict of interest the authors disclose but don't extensively discuss

It does not sound like an outcome that big coffee paid for it to be so: Behaviourally, coffee drinkers exhibited greater impulsivity and emotional reactivity, whereas non-coffee drinkers demonstrated better memory performance.

The first paragraph of the introduction touts all the health benefits of coffee.

I don't necessarily deny these benefits but it feels weird for a scientific paper to hedge its bets like this.

> Moderate coffee consumption is associated with various health benefits, including reduced risks of type 2 diabetes, liver disease, cardiovascular diseases, and cancer3. In a large cross-sectional study of 468,629 individuals without clinical cardiovascular disease, light-to-moderate coffee consumption was linked to lower rates of all-cause mortality, cardiovascular mortality, and stroke incidence4. Furthermore, coffee intake is consistently associated with a reduced risk of Parkinson’s disease in a dose-dependent manner, across multiple human cohorts5,6,7. Meta-analyses have also found that coffee consumers face a lower risk of depression8,9, and one meta-analysis of cohort studies examining cognitive decline, showed that coffee consumption accounted for a 27% reduction in the incidence of Alzheimer’s disease

It's like they're starting off with "Now don't get me wrong. Coffee will cure cancer, but..."

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