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Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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Please share how OpenAI is struggling in the private markets.

There is more supply than demand flat to OpenAI’s recent raise. That’s simply not the case for Anthropic, at last raise or at comparable valuations.

Citation? Were you working on the deal?

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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Google does have a sort of temporary moat. They have a much better hardware supply line story than anyone else and the revenue to maintain that edge indefinitely.

If AI is commoditising, who is Bahrain and who are the Saudis?

The app layer is Bahrain.

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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It’s pretty wild how badly Altman siding with Hegseth has backfired. (And how competently Dario has played his hand.) I don’t think that’s the ultimate cause of the turnaround in fortunes. But it strikes me, at least from the investor and potentially urban-consumer perspectives, as a pivotal moment in both companies’ fortunes.

What backfired? Ant's recent rise has little to none to do with retail subscribers, it is Claude Code with Opus 4.5+, followed by their Mythos stunt I would say the flood of $20 Claude Subscribers due to news cycle backfired on them, now everyone is getting worse outputs and exposed their shortage on compute, which they can't fix anytime soon. Pretty much everyone I know has both cc and codex now, just because how un…

> What backfired?

I think it was psychological to a degree. For many consumers OpenAI, or at least ChatGPT was AI. The controversy was enough for folks to be introduced to competitors in the AI space and suddenly OpenAI's success felt a lot less inevitable.

I agree with OP though that this won't actually be the cause of OpenAI's downfall, should it happen. But I still think it's an interesting inflection point.

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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They just announced their new chip, and they are the ones created transformers yet investing this amount in a competitor? I don’t know what to make of it

I wonder if Google regrets publishing that article on transformers.

Urs used to talk (internally) about not publishing "industry-enabling papers" which is why most Google infrastructure papers were describing something that had already been turned off, or was already in the process of being replaced by the next system (GFS, Vitess, etc). The things that did get published were either considered not key advantages, that other companies simply cannot do, things that other companies wouldn't bother doing, or experiments that never worked at all. There were exceptions of course. But it led to a public perception of the Google stack involving mostly technologies that were long dead or were never adopted.

"Attention Is All You Need" was a very very different thing and I also wonder if they are glad they published it. But I imagine if they hadn't, the motivation for researchers to leave Google would have been even larger.

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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> it's apparently worth more than products Americans constantly buy and rely on for their main life What are you counting in this category?

There are countless examples, but let's say Ford. Worth $150 billion, $50 billion not counting debt. My neighbors just gave Ford $60k. It'll be a while until my neighbor gives Anthropic $60k.

I guess I’m not surprised that if one “added up all the major AI valuations,” it’s more than any single consumer purchase or even most single companies.

Re: Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google does have a sort of temporary moat. They have a much better hardware supply line story than anyone else and the revenue to maintain that edge indefinitely.

If AI is commoditising, who is Bahrain and who are the Saudis?

What does that mean?
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