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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by segmondy »

lowbloodsugar wrote: post #764
segmondy wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have had the best math models for about a year most folks just didn't know about it. You can't find inference on APIs, but I run these at home, this is also the advantage of open models. https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Math-V2 https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Prover-V2-671B

You run a 671B model at home?

Yes, and plenty of others do too. Quantizied. Join us at r/localllama

My largest models

   318G    /llmzoo/models/Qwen3.5-397B
   377G    DeepSeekv3.2-nolight
   380G    /llmzoo/models/DeepSeek-V3.2-UD
   400G    /llmzoo/models/Qwen3.5-397B-Q8
   443G    DeepSeek-Math-v2
   443G    DeepSeek-V3-0324-Q5
   522G    /llmzoo/models/GLM5.1
   545G    /llmzoo/models/kimi2.6
   546G    /llmzoo/models/KimiK2.5

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by segmondy »

verdverm wrote: post #701
segmondy wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have had the best math models for about a year most folks just didn't know about it. You can't find inference on APIs, but I run these at home, this is also the advantage of open models. https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Math-V2 https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Prover-V2-671B

Vertex AI has had deep seek available via API for a while

I'm talking about their specialized math models, not the general model.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by tariky »

Imanari wrote: post #191

Just tested it via openrounter in the Pi Coding agent and it regularly fails to use the read and write tool correctly, very disappointing. Anyone know a fix besides prompting "always use the provided tools instead of writing your own call"

If you have access to any other model it can create create pi extension that fixes problem. At least worked for me.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by BoorishBears »

coder543 wrote: post #695
XCSme wrote: post #597

Something is odd with this model, their blog posts shows REALLY good results, but in most other third-party benchmarks, people realize it's not really SOTA, even bellow Kimi K2.6 and GLM-5/5.1 In my tests too[0], it doesn't reach top 10. One issue, which they also mentioned in their post, is that they can't really serve well the model at the moment, so V4-Pro is heavily rate-limited and gives a lot of timeout errors…

Your “benchmark” is invalid. Penalizing the model because the hosting environment is being DDoSed by users a few hours after launch is utter nonsense. I see that you tried to justify this lower in the thread, but no… it completely invalidates your benchmark. You are not testing the model. You are conflating one specific model host and model performance, and then claiming you are benchmarking the model. All major mode…

Their benchmark is full of nonsense like this and I'm amazed the fact most of their interactions on the site are promoting it hasn't gotten the account banned for spam.

They have Gemini 2.5 Flash ahead of Opus 4.6: https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-opus-4-6-mediu...

Absolutely worthless benchmark but every release has a comment linking to this nonsense.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by GorbachevyChase »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #732
chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

I just wished more Chinese companies would start setting up shop outside of China so that we could all work for them I’ve talked to the folks over at Unitree multiple times and they say “yeah we’ll be hiring overseas soon” and then they never do and they only have five openings in China

The PRC government operates extrajudicial police forces outside their borders to keep the diaspora in line. I think they disappeared Jack Ma for a while. I suspect there’s something like that that goes on in the US, but I don’t have strong evidence for that.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by jari_mustonen »

nabakin wrote: post #804
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

> Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. That is a huge claim to make with no evidence. I researched what you said, and I have found no statement to that effect in their paper[0], on huggingface[1], twitter[2], WeChat[3], or in their news release[4]. They only mention as a footnote in only the Chinese version of their news release that they plan to reduce inference costs with…

Here's a note about running entirely on Huawei chips:

https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/deepse...

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by fn-mote »

stronglikedan wrote: post #748
ifwinterco wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Brit I'm here for it to be honest, I'm tired of America with everything that's going on. China is not perfect but a bit of competition is healthy and needed

> I'm tired of America with everything that's going on. Yeah, me too. All that pesky saving the world stuff that we do on the regular is so exhausting sometimes.

“Saving the world” recently has meant being involved in wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Iran.

None of those have brought me a feeling of being part of saving someone.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by eshack94 »

u_sama wrote: post #375
throwa356262 wrote: post #217

Seriously, why can't huge companies like OpenAI and Google produce documentation that is half this good?? https://api-docs.deepseek.com/guides/thinking_mode No BS, just a concise description of exactly what I need to write my own agent.

I am very partial to Mistral's API docs https://docs.mistral.ai/api

Agreed, they also have great documentation. There's something to be said for documentation that is so concise, well laid out, and immediately actionable for those looking to get started quickly.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by segmondy »

Squarex wrote: post #838
gertlabs wrote: post #788

Objective, detailed benchmark results at https://gertlabs.com Early takeaways: from this release, DeepSeek V4 Flash is the model to pay attention to here. It's cheap, effective, and REALLY fast. The Pro model is slow, not much better in coding reasoning so far when it works, and honestly too unreliable and rate limited to be of much use, currently. Hopefully that improves as new providers host the model. Flash is wor…

I would say all benchmarks are inherently subjective. How is yours better? It seems to produce a little bit strange results. Opus 4.6 being worse than 4.5 for example. Or chinese models being rated too high. Kimi, Deepseek or GLM are all great in open source world, but I don't believe they are ahead of SOTA models from Anthropic, OpenAI or Google.

you are arguing with your belief instead of an objective truth. benchmark is more objective, if you don't agree with it, come up with a better one. but what you believe doesn't matter.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

GorbachevyChase wrote: post #845
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #732

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wished more Chinese companies would start setting up shop outside of China so that we could all work for them I’ve talked to the folks over at Unitree multiple times and they say “yeah we’ll be hiring overseas soon” and then they never do and they only have five openings in China

The PRC government operates extrajudicial police forces outside their borders to keep the diaspora in line. I think they disappeared Jack Ma for a while. I suspect there’s something like that that goes on in the US, but I don’t have strong evidence for that.

I’d take my chances with that without issue
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