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Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

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Post by zardo »

mpalczewski wrote: post #520
regularization wrote: post #488

Corruption means something legitimate is happening that can be corrupted. Maduro was president of a sovereign country. A bunch of kidnappers and murderers invaded the building he was in in Caracas, murdered everyone in the room, then kidnapped him and his wife. What's the "mission"? To pop up in some room and slaughter everyone in it, then kidnap his wife and him? In order to help steal the resources, billions of dol…

> Maduro was president of a sovereign country. It's funny how we accept the importance given to that statement. when he's just some dude who took control of a country and gave himself that title. As if the social construction means anything in this situation.

I don't think there's any question that he legitimately won his first election. Which is more than we can say for US allies on the Arabian peninsula. When are we going to send the choppers for them?

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

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Post by pasquinelli »

xp84 wrote: post #521
regularization wrote: post #488

Corruption means something legitimate is happening that can be corrupted. Maduro was president of a sovereign country. A bunch of kidnappers and murderers invaded the building he was in in Caracas, murdered everyone in the room, then kidnapped him and his wife. What's the "mission"? To pop up in some room and slaughter everyone in it, then kidnap his wife and him? In order to help steal the resources, billions of dol…

If you think Hamas, the Islamic Republic, and Maduro are/were peace-loving good guys, I have a bridge to sell you. Whatever you think about the US, anyone who isn’t drowning in propaganda must know that those guys are at best no better, and they don’t have even a facade of a justice system that people wronged by those governments can turn to for relief. For instance, the moment the Gaza ceasefire allowed Hamas to con…

> For instance, the moment the Gaza ceasefire allowed Hamas to continue to operate, we all witnessed them dragging their own citizens into the street and summarily executing them for supposed “collaboration.”

wouldn't be the first time people from a group aided in the genocide of that group. what do you expect will happen to such people?

it's easy to put quotes around the word "collaboration", but go on, tell us what you know about these people, make your case that they weren't actually collaborators.

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

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Post by pasquinelli »

Rover222 wrote: post #570
regularization wrote: post #488

Corruption means something legitimate is happening that can be corrupted. Maduro was president of a sovereign country. A bunch of kidnappers and murderers invaded the building he was in in Caracas, murdered everyone in the room, then kidnapped him and his wife. What's the "mission"? To pop up in some room and slaughter everyone in it, then kidnap his wife and him? In order to help steal the resources, billions of dol…

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well tell us how it actually is then.

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

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Post by bluegatty »

regularization wrote: post #488

Corruption means something legitimate is happening that can be corrupted. Maduro was president of a sovereign country. A bunch of kidnappers and murderers invaded the building he was in in Caracas, murdered everyone in the room, then kidnapped him and his wife. What's the "mission"? To pop up in some room and slaughter everyone in it, then kidnap his wife and him? In order to help steal the resources, billions of dol…

This is problematic on every account.

Primarily - the issue at hand is the legality of 'insider information' with in institutions.

But the bigger issue is how shameful it is that people can't see the absolute horror beyond their little local ideologies or political beliefs.

Maduro is one of the worst tyrants in the world, responsible for murder and imprisonment of any number of innocents and political dissidents, and the direct cause of millions of people displaced.

Venezuela is truly a horrible place, the country has fallen apart, Chavizmo has no popular legitimacy, he lost the election and remained in power.

It's impossible to speak of 'sovereignty' in that context.

What happened to Maduro was a 'net positive' - it was in fact, a crude form of 'net justice'.

It has nothing to do with Gaze, Syria, Iran etc..

And it has little to do with the cronyism of the Trump regime.

It's fair to question legality of actions, but the fact that people could see Maduro is anything but a criminal in the most common sense, is beyond pale. That's the real issue here actually, the inability for people to contextualize complex issues especially in light of basic moral concerns.

The violence against all hose people in Gaza is bad.

Maduro is bad.

Corruption in the White House is bad.

Selective Justice is bad.

Special forces placing bets on Polymarket is bad.

They are different things.

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

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Post by the_af »

Calavar wrote: post #568
mpalczewski wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maduro was president of a sovereign country. It's funny how we accept the importance given to that statement. when he's just some dude who took control of a country and gave himself that title. As if the social construction means anything in this situation.

I know this is tangential to your overall point, but did really they murder everyone in the room? I was under the impression that a few Venezuelan generals kidnapped Maduro themselves, left him at a predetermined point for US forces to pick up, and had their soldiers fire some small arms into the air to make a token show of resistance. There's no way the US would have flown a slow-moving convoy of helicopters into a…

Who knows what's true, but the official US narrative is that they entered his bunker, slaughtered the (mostly Cuban) security guards, and stopped Maduro just before he could hide behind a reinforced door. So the official narrative is indeed that US forces slaughtered a bunch of people and took Maduro.

Whether there was also cooperation from the Venezuelan military, failure to shoot down helicopters, etc, is a different matter.

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Post by pasquinelli »

troglodytetrain wrote: post #556
regularization wrote: post #488

Corruption means something legitimate is happening that can be corrupted. Maduro was president of a sovereign country. A bunch of kidnappers and murderers invaded the building he was in in Caracas, murdered everyone in the room, then kidnapped him and his wife. What's the "mission"? To pop up in some room and slaughter everyone in it, then kidnap his wife and him? In order to help steal the resources, billions of dol…

I guess thats one way to look at it. But thats morality for you. I'd just suggest maybe get less involved with the internet and as the kids say these days 'go touch some grass'. Because, frankly, I don't think the average, or even marginal Venezuelan would agree with you at all, as, they have actually had to deal with this dictator.

> Because, frankly, I don't think the average, or even marginal Venezuelan would agree with you at all, as, they have actually had to deal with this dictator.

why do you think that? when was the last time you were in venezuela? first you tell someone to get off the internet for a bit and touch grass, then you gesture vaguely at what you think... which came from where exactly? different parts of the internet? cable news? where?

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Post by notahacker »

Calavar wrote: post #568
mpalczewski wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maduro was president of a sovereign country. It's funny how we accept the importance given to that statement. when he's just some dude who took control of a country and gave himself that title. As if the social construction means anything in this situation.

I know this is tangential to your overall point, but did really they murder everyone in the room? I was under the impression that a few Venezuelan generals kidnapped Maduro themselves, left him at a predetermined point for US forces to pick up, and had their soldiers fire some small arms into the air to make a token show of resistance. There's no way the US would have flown a slow-moving convoy of helicopters into a…

I agree there was almost certainly some collaboration with some factions in Maduro's military standing down for the mission to go so smoothly, but its pretty well-established that a number of soldiers were killed, with some US soldiers coming back with the wounds to show for it. The entire bodyguard being killed is something the US and Cuba actually agree on!

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

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Post by pjmorris »

libertine wrote: post #562
hx8 wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of sovereignty is a cornerstone of how we organize our global society. This was an overt statement that the US controls South America, and that South America doesn't rule itself. Previously, we were relaying on covert methods for influence. The relationship with SA has materially changed. 1. The United States is willing to violate South American sovereignty. 2. South America has offered little resistance to…

That's correct that sovereignty is a cornerstone, but since the founding of the UN that doesn't mean you have a blank check to do whatever you want within the sovereignty of a country. Things like genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, violating other countries sovereignty with no strong justification, development of nuclear weapons, etc. So there's a bunch of red lines that clearly some countries will step o…

If you're going to invoke the UN, you should show the UN resolution calling for action in Venezuela.

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

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Post by troglodytetrain »

kaveh_h wrote: post #565
troglodytetrain wrote: post #556

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess thats one way to look at it. But thats morality for you. I'd just suggest maybe get less involved with the internet and as the kids say these days 'go touch some grass'. Because, frankly, I don't think the average, or even marginal Venezuelan would agree with you at all, as, they have actually had to deal with this dictator.

The dictator is labeled the ”dictator” because they’re under fire by US not because they’re an actual dictator. Look at gulf countries and the other dictators that US is partnered with like Al-Sisi in Egypt and the King of Jordan. Besides the regime did not change. It’s the same regime, the only difference is that US benefits (or some individual people or companies in the US) from this version.

This is ridiculous cope. At least, I myself can provide some sources:

Human Rights Foundation: https://hrf.org/latest/hrf-condemns-fraudulent-election-resu...

Carter Center: https://www.cartercenter.org/stories/center-finds-democracy-...

CSIS: https://www.csis.org/analysis/can-maduro-pull-mother-all-ele...

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

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Post by jimt1234 »

Havoc wrote: post #362

What about the rest of the Trump clan and their shady shit? Donald Trump Jr. serves as an advisor to both Kalshi and Polymarket...it's just comical

Unsurprisingly, Trump is downplaying the situation, comparing it to Pete Rose betting on his own team. And, naturally, conservatives are falling in line, excusing the situation because Congress does this all the time.

https://www.foxnews.com/outkick-sports/donald-trump-uses-pet...

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