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Ask HN: Am I getting old, or is working with AI juniors becoming a nightmare?

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Re: Ask HN: Am I getting old, or is working with AI juniors becoming a nightmare?

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Post by clintmcmahon »

It's still crucial for senior level people to review and scrutinize code generated by Jr and AI developers.

There's always been the need to verify the code matches the business requirement, right? It used to be when you asked someone why they wrote the code the way they did, they'd tell you they thought it was the right way because X or Y. But with AI they can respond saying they actually don't know why they wrote it a certain way. That's just what ChatGPT or Claude told them to do. So, that's the nightmare part that people are experiencing.

Code reviews are important and software architecture skills are just as important now.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting old, or is working with AI juniors becoming a nightmare?

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Post by eudamoniac »

damnitbuilds wrote: post #4

There seems to be a disconnect, with some people claiming they don't write code any more, only specs, and me trying to get Copilot to fix a stupid sizing bug in our layout engine and it Not Getting It. Is this because the guys claiming success are working in popular, known, more limited areas like Javascript in web pages, and the people outside those, with more complex systems, don't get the same results ? I also not…

> Is this because the guys claiming success are working in popular, known, more limited areas like Javascript in web pages

Nope because this is all I do and the AI doesn't do it right either

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting old, or is working with AI juniors becoming a nightmare?

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Post by foldr »

damnitbuilds wrote: post #4

There seems to be a disconnect, with some people claiming they don't write code any more, only specs, and me trying to get Copilot to fix a stupid sizing bug in our layout engine and it Not Getting It. Is this because the guys claiming success are working in popular, known, more limited areas like Javascript in web pages, and the people outside those, with more complex systems, don't get the same results ? I also not…

AI tools can certainly fail to fix bugs, but if you’re consistently finding them of minimal use for debugging, I’d say that you’re either working in a fairly niche domain or that you’re maybe not fully exploiting the capabilities of the tool.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting old, or is working with AI juniors becoming a nightmare?

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Post by sdevonoes »

MichaelRazum wrote: post #9
baCist wrote: post #5

I think all of this has a dark future. And this can be argued based on how AI works. AI systems look at code on the internet that was written by humans. This is smart, clean code. And they learn from it. What they produce — unreadable spaghetti code — is the maximum they can squeeze out of the best code written by humans. In the near future, AI-generated code will flood the internet, and AI will start training on its…

Not sure tbh. The labs which are creating the AI - definitely know what they are doing, and its incredible. Would just argue that the AI will become only better in the future

They are interested in money and ads. We cannot expect anything good from openai, anthropic, meta, google.

We had a couple of decades of brilliant engineers working for faang. What did we get as a result? Just crap: twitter, instagram, youtube, facebook. Imagine all those brilliant minds working on something meaningful instead.

Same goes for LLMs

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting old, or is working with AI juniors becoming a nightmare?

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Post by dieselgate »

MichaelRazum wrote: post #9
baCist wrote: post #5

I think all of this has a dark future. And this can be argued based on how AI works. AI systems look at code on the internet that was written by humans. This is smart, clean code. And they learn from it. What they produce — unreadable spaghetti code — is the maximum they can squeeze out of the best code written by humans. In the near future, AI-generated code will flood the internet, and AI will start training on its…

Not sure tbh. The labs which are creating the AI - definitely know what they are doing, and its incredible. Would just argue that the AI will become only better in the future

Respectfully, I am starting to find "AI will become only better in the future" to be a cheap and empty statement. Optimism is good but it does not take into consideration the tremendous nuance of the topic and current thread.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting old, or is working with AI juniors becoming a nightmare?

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

dieselgate wrote: post #27
MichaelRazum wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure tbh. The labs which are creating the AI - definitely know what they are doing, and its incredible. Would just argue that the AI will become only better in the future

Respectfully, I am starting to find "AI will become only better in the future" to be a cheap and empty statement. Optimism is good but it does not take into consideration the tremendous nuance of the topic and current thread.

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