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Re: The operating cost of adult and gambling startups

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Post by watwut »

RHSeeger wrote: post #22
antonymoose wrote: post #7

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Not to mention the entitlement of startups to just flaunt laws and regulations. Still kills me to this day Uber and AirBNB running illegal billion dollar operations. I suppose one can at least say Uber mitigates drunk driving tendencies. As far as AirBNB goes, it can rot straight in hell. My hometown is now 20% AirBNB, they ran illegally for many years, and this completely prices out normal folks trying to live near…

I don't have a problem with them actively choosing to break laws to protest the laws themselves; to try to get them changed. Civil disobedience is a long standing practice. However, part of doing that is facing the consequences of breaking those laws; being arrested, etc. Just because _you_ think the law isn't just doesn't mean it's not a law - it just means you think it should be changed. And the companies in questi…

Meh. What they are doing is NOT civil disobedience and protest. What they are doing is just normal breaking the law for profit thing.

That being said, I also dont think that civil disobedience means you have to accept whatever harsh punishment whatever authoritarian is using. It is actually ok to avoid those.

Re: The operating cost of adult and gambling startups

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Post by ambicapter »

engineer_22 wrote: post #40
engineer_22 wrote: post #12

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I live in New York. A very old very famous manufacturer of firearms, Remington Arms, which employed hundreds of people and was the economic engine of its community was forced by the State of New York to shut down. That community cannot replace what was lost when the factory closed. Poverty, crime, drugs have moved in to the void. You may be right that guns are are corrosive to a democratic society, that's an open deb…

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Why not reply to him directly and dispute the facts he offered?

Re: The operating cost of adult and gambling startups

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Post by bilekas »

watwut wrote: post #48
bilekas wrote: post #47

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I was having this discussion the other day with a friend, I do believe as an adult you should be allowed to do anything you want providing you're not harming others. That said, there is a HUGE need for more regulation around advertising, cut off limits and companies recognising users with a problem. If you take a Bar for example, most barmen will notice you're already drunk as hell and cut you off, probably kick you…

Unlicensed casinos and betting apps harm others.

So would an Unlicensed Speakeasy, but I can't include them in the post or else everything would be destructive. I'm not defending Gambling at all, just highlighting there is a difference in how they are allowed to behave, which I also don't agree with.

Asking a casino to behave better is never going to work, adding more regulations and stricter licensing might. The fact that betting companies are now allowed to advertise and sponsor sports is an incredible negative step.

Re: The operating cost of adult and gambling startups

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

bilekas wrote: post #47
b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #5

You may have a cool product in the field of sports betting, casinos, or lotteries. But almost all social networks and search engines won’t let you advertise without a license from the required jurisdiction. Good . You should face social stigma for creating products that literally ruin people's lives.

I was having this discussion the other day with a friend, I do believe as an adult you should be allowed to do anything you want providing you're not harming others. That said, there is a HUGE need for more regulation around advertising, cut off limits and companies recognising users with a problem. If you take a Bar for example, most barmen will notice you're already drunk as hell and cut you off, probably kick you…

Always keep 900 for emergencies.

Re: The operating cost of adult and gambling startups

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Post by lurkshark »

8-prime wrote: post #45
embedding-shape wrote: post #23

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> For example, porn meets some actual human needs and has a certain function - but gambling? Simple abuse at scale. Now I'm as as free-minded as people typically gets, but both of those are just "entertainment" for me, one is not more "essential" than the other, what exact "human need" does pornography meet that somehow gambling doesn't also meet, since we're not talking about "fun" or "entertainment" here but someth…

While the porn industry has issue, at its core it isn't constructed to extract money from you. Boiling Gambling down to just being "entertainment" is a bit too reductionist in my opinion.

> it isn't constructed to extract money from you

I mean yes, it is; It’s not a charity. I guess you could argue it tends to do it slower than gambling?

Re: The operating cost of adult and gambling startups

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Post by [deleted] »

jmkd wrote: post #10
b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #5

You may have a cool product in the field of sports betting, casinos, or lotteries. But almost all social networks and search engines won’t let you advertise without a license from the required jurisdiction. Good . You should face social stigma for creating products that literally ruin people's lives.

There are plenty of other products that literally ruin people's lives: alcohol, tobacco, sugar, pharmaceuticals, credit cards, firearms, timeshares, junk food. Society has them all on very different parts of a stigma spectrum. Honest question: why is this line so clear for you?

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Re: The operating cost of adult and gambling startups

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Post by cleansy »

I worked as a tech in porn in my very early 20s. My experience was the opposite, interviewers later on remembered my CV because I was transparent about it. In 2009-2011 weren’t many places where a junior developer could work on code that served 100M ad impressions /month and 3-5M requests on the pages. Gambling and porn both hook into your dopamine systems, but mixing them together does not make sense at all. The consequences of watching pornography are two orders of magnitude milder than a gambling addiction.

Re: The operating cost of adult and gambling startups

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Post by VectorLock »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #46
joosters wrote: post #34

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I think the more relevant point is: But almost all social networks and search engines won’t let you advertise without a license from the required jurisdiction. Which is a good thing! This is an area full of scammers, if you can't set up your business legally, I'm very happy to hear it's more difficult for you to advertise it.

I mean, you also can't advertise illegal drugs either. Doesn't seem to curb demand though. It may actually be more beneficial to allow these things more broadly, because then social safety features can be wedged in between consumers and suppliers more easily and they don't have to deal with a gigantic shadow market that already gets stigmatised to death by the rest of the population. Just accept that a certain percen…

>Doesn't seem to curb demand though.

Because its an addictive product. See also: gambling.

Re: The operating cost of adult and gambling startups

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Post by is_true »

b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #5

You may have a cool product in the field of sports betting, casinos, or lotteries. But almost all social networks and search engines won’t let you advertise without a license from the required jurisdiction. Good . You should face social stigma for creating products that literally ruin people's lives.

*Won't let you DIRECTLY advertise, you need an extra step, create a property that is not "yours".
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