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The Rich and Powerful Want to Live Forever. What If They Could?

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> What If They Could? Then they'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

Class based 'revolutions' are made up of a bunch of idiots who would happily destroy everything while being lead by somebody even worse who is qualitatively identical to the people they despise. They have proven that repeatedly.

and you would be ok with an immortal class of tech overlords? history ending with one of the worst sets of ppl of our generation?

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Living forever sounds awful. For one, I am extremely curious what happens when I die. Without death, life becomes a hollow shell, or at least I imagine it would, as you would lack urgency.

I’ll answer that question for you for free. Here’s what happens:

I medically died a couple years back. I don’t remember a thing, so perhaps you are right. Still curious.

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Gonna go out on a limb here and say that old age and dying are actually good, and that many of the problems in Western society are due to people living too long and holding onto power longer than they should / not passing on power and resources to younger generations.

> longer than they should Just great. And who is to decide how long is "too long"? You?

Well, before we figure out who to send to the old age camps to be ground up and turned into McDonald's and Legos... first let's get some nice "age discrimination" laws in place preventing running for government office after age 67.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll answer that question for you for free. Here’s what happens:

I medically died a couple years back. I don’t remember a thing, so perhaps you are right. Still curious.

The concept of “medically died” is kind of ridiculous. Are you alive? Then you weren’t dead.

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> What If They Could? Then they'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

Class based 'revolutions' are made up of a bunch of idiots who would happily destroy everything while being lead by somebody even worse who is qualitatively identical to the people they despise. They have proven that repeatedly.

I don’t know. I kind of like a social safety net, unemployment insurance, limits to the work week, free education for all future adults, paid holidays, mass voting, multiethnic democracy, product liability laws, etc. Our modern society owes a lot to the hundreds of years of struggle to empower hard work and education over inherited wealth.

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Very few wouldn't, unless very much driven by their religion to fetish death. Who wouldn't select a part of the population they find unsaveable, say evil genocidal billionaires, and sacrifice them for extending their own lifespan + improving how they believe the world should be? Win-win.

> Very few wouldn't, unless very much driven by their religion to fetish death. I feel sad that you seemingly have met more people who lack compassion and empathy than ones who have it. Personally, I don't know (or "hang out" rather maybe) many people who'd sacrifice anyone's life just to live a day longer, and I don't think that's a useful default view to have of people, most people I've met don't want to hurt other…

Though many would sacrifice an intelligent animals like a pig or dolphin and they’d do this optionally

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I medically died a couple years back. I don’t remember a thing, so perhaps you are right. Still curious.

The concept of “medically died” is kind of ridiculous. Are you alive? Then you weren’t dead.

It is a clinical term, you are arguing over semantics. Cardiopulmonary death to be specific. My point is: no one knows, not you, not me, and not my dog.

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Gonna go out on a limb here and say that old age and dying are actually good, and that many of the problems in Western society are due to people living too long and holding onto power longer than they should / not passing on power and resources to younger generations.

> longer than they should Just great. And who is to decide how long is "too long"? You?

I think some sort of cognitive test would be a good place to start

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An interesting fictional book that has this idea as part of the story is Altered Carbon by Richard K. Morgan. Imagine if Elon musk and the other ultra-wealthy could live forever and they become even more out-of-touch with reality as the centuries roll on... In the book almost anyone that has lived could live forever but that could never happen with limited resources/space so only the ultra-wealthy are able to. I'd sk…

The tv show is actually really good from someone who did not read the books. It is well done.

I don't know... I read the books so long ago and there are still things in my minds eye that I can picture from it, whereas with the tv show the only thing I remember is the naked sword fight.

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Gonna go out on a limb here and say that old age and dying are actually good, and that many of the problems in Western society are due to people living too long and holding onto power longer than they should / not passing on power and resources to younger generations.

I think blaming America's problems on gerontocracy is correlation-causation confusion. The reason we have a gerontocracy is that ordinary rank-and-file voters are too cynical and individualistic to participate in politics.

Funnily enough a lot of these 'boomer' haters love to pretend the silent generation or the greatest generation were so much better. I believe a lot of this cynicism and individualism is caused by political decisions by these generations. Decisions like subsidizing the 30 year mortgage and urban design plans made it more difficult to have a 'real community', one which you would engage in politics for.

The power balance of local politics and national politics also got changed with TV and the internet, things which would've happened regardless of how good a 'generation' is.

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