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South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

Luc wrote: post #51
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of size do you think that would be?

Small and low energy enough that tiny migratory birds can wear them for months. Externally worn of course (e.g. attached to the ear, for a wolf). You could adjust the firmware of a wildlife tag to start transmitting location every 10 minutes when the animal leaves a geo-fence.

Bird ones are easy because birds are high in the air, so there's nothing to block the signal.

They are also not implanted in the birds, but are a relatively large "backpack" or leg tag.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by fc417fc802 »

croes wrote: post #74
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's completely pedantic and besides it's false because there literally wasn't a wolf there where he faked the photo in the first place

Crying wolf is crying for help when there is no danger not when there is a danger just at different place. That's not pedantic, that's the meaning of the idiom.

If you stipulate that everyone must be relaxing at the time, sure. But the core concept of crying wolf is IMO simply a false alert with no particular constraints placed on those responding. I think in this case it simultaneously qualifies as crying wolf as well as misdirection.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by maplethorpe »

tete wrote: post #60
maplethorpe wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the technology that enabled the deception noteworthy? Presumably this person wouldn't have been able to do this before AI. Hypothetically, if a hacking tool was released that let non-technical people hack into sensitive databases, and then a journalist wrote the headline "local man hacks IRS", without any mention of the tool, wouldn't that be a bit irresponsible, to purposely leave that information out?

> Presumably this person wouldn't have been able to do this before AI. Photoshop? I don't think you need much skill.

Creating a photorealistic mashup in Photoshop, without AI, takes a lot of skill. Just getting the shadows looking correct takes enough skill in itself, and that's only part of it.

Have you used Photoshop before? You come across as commenting on something you don't understand.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by [deleted] »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #82
croes wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crying wolf is crying for help when there is no danger not when there is a danger just at different place. That's not pedantic, that's the meaning of the idiom.

If you stipulate that everyone must be relaxing at the time, sure. But the core concept of crying wolf is IMO simply a false alert with no particular constraints placed on those responding. I think in this case it simultaneously qualifies as crying wolf as well as misdirection.

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Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

croes wrote: post #74
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's completely pedantic and besides it's false because there literally wasn't a wolf there where he faked the photo in the first place

Crying wolf is crying for help when there is no danger not when there is a danger just at different place. That's not pedantic, that's the meaning of the idiom.

This is real life there's always a danger just at a different place.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by GuB-42 »

hansmayer wrote: post #48
_fw wrote: post #10

Are you trying to tell me, in this the year of our lord 2026, somebody has been (rightfully or wrongfully) arrested for literally ‘crying wolf’? There’s something hilariously poetic about a ~2,500 year old fable being relevant today, because of AI.

The fable was always relevant, afaic it is still a part of the curriculums. It's also a nice illustration of how LLMs screw up everything they touch - and please don't serve me the old "guns don't kill people - people kill people" argument over this.

Guns primary purpose is to kill. The primary purpose of genAI (image generation goes beyond the scope of LLMs) is not to mislead, they are used successfully by millions of people for purposes that are in no way nefarious. It includes valuable contributions to fields like medicine.

Like most important advances like plastics, nuclear power, diesel engines, synthetic fertilizers, computers and the internet, good and bad things came out of it.

It is like saying that plastics screw up everything they touch, for example when a plastic part is used to replace a more durable metal part, but before realizing that plastics are everywhere in our lives, often without a suitable replacement material.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by darkwater »

bblb wrote: post #63
rwmj wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"easily" is doing some heavy lifting there. Is Photoshopping this image together really easier than prompting an AI?

Background image of some local street. Image of a wolf and object selection tool (pre AI era version). Touch up a little and add some filters to drop the quality. Sure a little bit more involved than the two second AI prompt, but 3 min job for the lulz photoshoppers.

I could never do it without investing a large amount of time into PS, and getting stressed a lot in the meanwhile.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by notahacker »

tete wrote: post #60
maplethorpe wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the technology that enabled the deception noteworthy? Presumably this person wouldn't have been able to do this before AI. Hypothetically, if a hacking tool was released that let non-technical people hack into sensitive databases, and then a journalist wrote the headline "local man hacks IRS", without any mention of the tool, wouldn't that be a bit irresponsible, to purposely leave that information out?

> Presumably this person wouldn't have been able to do this before AI. Photoshop? I don't think you need much skill.

A person who had a Photoshop licence, had played around with layers and colour balance before and was sufficiently motivated to make it look convincing to spend a bit of time tidying it up, sure they could. But I'm not sure that necessarily applies to random people making funny memes of the wolf in their neighbourhood...

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by sigmoid10 »

conartist6 wrote: post #70
tete wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Presumably this person wouldn't have been able to do this before AI. Photoshop? I don't think you need much skill.

To make a shooped image good enough to fool the police into think they're looking at a completely real picture, you'd think it would take a reasonable amount of skill. If nothing else you need an exact match picture in terms of lighting and perspective.

I guess people here are too young to remember things like the WTC plane guy. Half the people online thought it was genuine, while he did it for the lulz in a few minutes. Nobody cared about inconsistent lighting and perspective. Same way most people don't care about the obvious hallmarks of diffusion model generated pictures today.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by croes »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #82
croes wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crying wolf is crying for help when there is no danger not when there is a danger just at different place. That's not pedantic, that's the meaning of the idiom.

If you stipulate that everyone must be relaxing at the time, sure. But the core concept of crying wolf is IMO simply a false alert with no particular constraints placed on those responding. I think in this case it simultaneously qualifies as crying wolf as well as misdirection.

But this isn't a false alert. The alert is real, people just got misdirected.
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