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Re: nowhere: an entire website encoded in a URL

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Post by oersted »

jdiff wrote: post #34
Markoff wrote: post #2

How it works A URL fragment is the part after #. The HTTP specification prohibits browsers from sending fragments to servers. The server that delivers the page never receives the content, never knows which site you are viewing, and has no way to find out. No content is collected, stored, or logged. The privacy is structural. A site that was never put on a server can never be taken off one. There is no account to susp…

If each copy of the link is a complete copy of the site data, how could a forum work?

> For orders, messages, and real-time coordination, Nowhere uses Nostr relays as communication infrastructure. Relays see only encrypted data they cannot read, arriving from ephemeral keys they cannot trace, sent from a nowhere site they cannot identify.

Re: nowhere: an entire website encoded in a URL

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Post by fsiefken »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #6

What's the point? You still have to share the link somewhere, why not just share a block of text (invitation, campaign, whatever) directly instead?

Yes! It's similar to people sharing a simple url within a QR code only. I find it insulting and inconvenient - i can remember or jot down and type in a url - i don't need a smartphone to do that. In theory you could put a small html/website in a dense QR code, that would be truly offline - it's a similar thing.

There are also the Pico-8 cardridge format, where a game is stenographically embedded in a PNG https://github.com/l0kod/PX8

And the Piet and Pikt esolanguages where the visuals are the code: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Piet https://github.com/iamgio/pikt

Re: nowhere: an entire website encoded in a URL

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Post by nmoadev »

Interesting thought to explore but overblown claims. For the privacy claims to hold, a fundamental conceit is that you trust and use the nowhere app / domain. The source is open, so let’s imagine that you individually can be satisfied.

Now, the idea that entire apps can be shared via a link in a Signal chat or a QR code on a flier is a fascinating bit of compression and potential for archiving.

Imagine games shared on paper QR codes at a meetup.

Oh but here’s the rub, do you trust the arbitrary code you just scanned off of a QR code? TLS has become a proxy for trusted authorship. “Well if it’s really coming my bank then it’s probably safe”

Re: nowhere: an entire website encoded in a URL

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Post by embedding-shape »

bronxpockfabz wrote: post #40
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sure, but what's the point then? Seems like .html with extra steps, not to mention that the URL itself won't work. Literally says in the submission title and the website itself: An entire website encoded in a URL. And yes, the domain part of the URL might not work, but whatever URL you use locally would work just as well if you switch the domain, unless I'm missing something. > Now for online, the data is in the UR…

> An entire website encoded in a URL It is very much not, open the network tab on any of the examples, behold.

> open the network tab on any of the examples

Ok, using https://nowhr.xyz/s#yzXyzs8PcDbxyQ_0KbYMzzRNytKNyE0JDM0x8zT2... as found in the HN comments as an example.

Not a single one of those requests contain the string "This is a message site. I guess. Just checking.", or did I miss something? All it seems to load is the "website loader", which is the part that decodes the URL (locally) and displays you "the website".

So assuming you have local access to the loader and you have the parts from the URL, you'd be able to load it.

I'm not sure if y'all are consciously misreading how this is supposed to work, or if I'm misunderstanding what y'all are complaining about. It's not "A public internet website can be loaded if you're not connected to the public internet", it's "websites loaded in this way can be loaded this way as long as you have the loader".

Re: nowhere: an entire website encoded in a URL

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Post by [deleted] »

jdiff wrote: post #31
cagenut wrote: post #12

similar enough that i'll share, I think i learned this from an HN comment, you can put the code for a page in the url (with obvious limits): this works as a "url" in both chrome and safari: data:text/html, notes

This also is quite handy for inlining SVGs in CSS, although I believe you have to mark the encoding as utf-8.

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Re: nowhere: an entire website encoded in a URL

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Post by Doublon »

cagenut wrote: post #12

similar enough that i'll share, I think i learned this from an HN comment, you can put the code for a page in the url (with obvious limits): this works as a "url" in both chrome and safari: data:text/html, notes

I have one bookmark that will copy to clipboard the current page URL + an anchor to the highlighted text:

    javascript:(function(){navigator.clipboard.writeText(`${window.location}#:~:text=${escape(window.getSelection().toString())}`);%20console.log("copied!");%20})();
Pretty useful to share a specific part of a page to someone else.

For example it will give you this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47888337#47888930#:~:te...

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