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A quick look at Mythos run on Firefox: too much hype?

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Re: A quick look at Mythos run on Firefox: too much hype?

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Post by 1una »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #5

Whatever the capabilities, there’s always a little hype, or at least the risk won’t be as great as thought: > Due to our concerns about malicious applications of the technology, we are not releasing the trained model. That was for GPT-2 https://openai.com/index/better-language-models/

In the same article you linked:

> Due to concerns about large language models being used to generate deceptive, biased, or abusive language at scale, we are only releasing a much smaller version of GPT‑2 along with sampling code .

7 years later, these concerns seem pretty legit.

Re: A quick look at Mythos run on Firefox: too much hype?

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

MyFirstSass wrote: post #10
Eufrat wrote: post #3

Probably worth noting that the new-ish Mozilla CEO, Anthony Enzor-DeMeo, is clearly an AI booster having talked about wanting to make Firefox into a “modern AI browser”. So, I don’t doubt that Anthropic and Mozilla saw an opportunity to make a good bit of copy. I think this has been pushed too hard , along with general exhaustion at people insisting that AI is eating everything and the moon these claims are getting k…

Hackernews has also been completely co-opted by boosters. So much that i don't really visit anymore after 15 years of use. It's a bizarre situation with billions in marketing and PR, astroturfing and torrents of fake news with streams of comments beneath them with zero skepticism and an almost horrifying worship of these billion dollar companies. Something completely flipped here at some point, i don't know if it's b…

I haven't been able to find any communities with as high of a signal-to-noise ratio and breadth of experiences as HN, especially not public ones that one can stumble their way into without knowing a guy / joining a clique

Re: A quick look at Mythos run on Firefox: too much hype?

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Post by imiric »

For crying out loud, why are we discussing and paying attention to articles and claims about a product that doesn't even exist yet?!

If this isn't a sign of a bubble, where marketing is more important than the actual product, I don't know what is. This industry has completely lost the plot.

Re: A quick look at Mythos run on Firefox: too much hype?

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Post by bestouff »

goalieca wrote: post #2

There was a double fronted marketing push by both organizations. That much is true and this makes me more skeptical of the message and how exactly it was framed. If we just stick with c/c++ systems, pretty much every big enough project has a backlog of thousands of these things. Either simple like compiler warnings for uninitialized values or fancier tool verified off-by-one write errors that aren’t exploitable in pr…

Globally agreed excepted for the "harmless" bit. Hackers are good these days, and these apparently innocuous bugs can be exploited in creative ways

Re: A quick look at Mythos run on Firefox: too much hype?

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Post by invalidSyntax »

Bishonen88 wrote: post #7
nazgu1 wrote: post #4

Why people publish AI written articles? If I would like to read AI I can just prompt it myself, and when I read something on someone blog I expect that I will read thoughts of this particular human being...

While the text seems to be at least AI-supported, I think the research is still interesting. Whether that was done mostly by the author or an AI still, does not change much to me at least. I'd appreciate some sort of disclaimer at the start of each article whether it's AI written/assisted or not. But I guess authors understand that it will diminish the perceived value of their work/part.

I agree. Even if it is a little pain to read, it's still an information worth knowing and an actual humans opinion(at least I hope). There's no reason to be skeptical if it isn't a famous news site or something.

Re: A quick look at Mythos run on Firefox: too much hype?

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Post by imInGoodCompany »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #5

Whatever the capabilities, there’s always a little hype, or at least the risk won’t be as great as thought: > Due to our concerns about malicious applications of the technology, we are not releasing the trained model. That was for GPT-2 https://openai.com/index/better-language-models/

I think a certain level of hype is warranted for a model that can autonomously discover complex 27-year-old 0-days in OpenBSD for $20K[0]. We don't yet know what this does to the balance of attack/defense in OSS security, and we cannot know until the capability is widespread. My most hopeful guess is that it looks heavily in favor of attackers in the first 6-12 months while the oldest 0-days are still waiting to be discovered, before tipping in favor of defenders as the price goes down for Mythos-level models and the practice of using them for vulnerability review becomes widespread.

The absolute best case is at we end up with similar situation to modern cryptography, which is clearly in favor of defenders. One can imagine a world where a defender can run a codebase review for $X compute and patch all the low-hanging fruit, to the point where anything that remains for an attacker would cost $X*100000 (or some other large multiplier) to discover.

[0] https://red.anthropic.com/2026/mythos-preview/

Re: A quick look at Mythos run on Firefox: too much hype?

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Post by csmantle »

IIRC Mozilla usually categorize internally-found bugs into a few large CVE IDs, grouped by severity, with around ten or so bugs in each. Every advisory gets several CVEs of this kind, for example, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2026-2...>, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2026-1...>, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2026-0...>, etc.

Re: A quick look at Mythos run on Firefox: too much hype?

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Post by SkiFire13 »

Eufrat wrote: post #3

Probably worth noting that the new-ish Mozilla CEO, Anthony Enzor-DeMeo, is clearly an AI booster having talked about wanting to make Firefox into a “modern AI browser”. So, I don’t doubt that Anthropic and Mozilla saw an opportunity to make a good bit of copy. I think this has been pushed too hard , along with general exhaustion at people insisting that AI is eating everything and the moon these claims are getting k…

> I guess if you run the source code through the model a 10,000 times, some useful stuff falls out.

But you might also get a lot of non-useful stuff which you'll need to sort out.

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