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Re: DeepSeek v4

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I like the pelican I got out of deepseek-v4-flash more than the one I got from deepseek-v4-pro. https://simonwillison.net/2026/Apr/24/deepseek-v4/ Both generated using OpenRouter. For comparison, here's what I got from DeepSeek 3.2 back in December: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Dec/1/deepseek-v32/ And DeepSeek 3.1 in August: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Aug/22/deepseek-31/ And DeepSeek v3-0324 in March last year:…

Where is the GPT 5.5 Pelican?

In the 5.5 topic

Re: DeepSeek v4

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weren't there some frameworks recently released to allow Macs to stream weights from fast SSDs and thus fit way more parameters than what would normally fit in RAM? I have never tried one yet but I am considering trying that for a medium sized model.

I've been calling that the "streaming experts" trick, the key idea is to take advantage of Mixture of Expert models where only a subset of the weights are used for each round of calculations, then load those weights from SSD into RAM for each round. As I understand it if DeepSeek v4 Pro is a 1.6T, 49B active that means you'd need just 49B in memory, so ~100GB at 16 bit or ~50GB at 8bit quantized. v4 Flash is 284B, 13…

Streaming weights from RAM to GPU for prefill makes sense due to batching and pcie5 x16 is fast enough to make it worthwhile.

Streaming weights from RAM to GPU for decode makes no sense at all because batching requires multiple parallel streams.

Streaming weights from SSD _never_ makes sense because the delta between SSD and RAM is too large. There is no situation where you would not be able to fit a model in RAM and also have useful speeds from SSD.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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post #63

I like the pelican I got out of deepseek-v4-flash more than the one I got from deepseek-v4-pro. https://simonwillison.net/2026/Apr/24/deepseek-v4/ Both generated using OpenRouter. For comparison, here's what I got from DeepSeek 3.2 back in December: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Dec/1/deepseek-v32/ And DeepSeek 3.1 in August: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Aug/22/deepseek-31/ And DeepSeek v3-0324 in March last year:…

This should not be the top comment on every model release post. It's getting tiring.

This should be the bottom comment on the pelican comment on every model release post.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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I don't mind that High Flyer completely ripped off Anthropic to do this so much as I mind that they very obviously waited long enough for the GAB to add several dozen xz-level easter eggs to it.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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post #61

How can you reasonably try to get near frontier (even at all tps) on hardware you own? Maybe under 5k in cost?

Run on an old HEDT platform with a lot of parallel attached storage (probably PCIe 4) and fetch weights from SSD. You'd ultimately be limited by the latency of these per-layer fetches, since MoE weights are small. You could reduce the latencies further by buying cheap Optane memory on the second-hand market.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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post #58
post #29

The Flash version is 284B A13B in mixed FP8 / FP4 and the full native precision weights total approximately 154 GB. KV cache is said to take 10% as much space as V3. This looks very accessible for people running "large" local models. It's a nice follow up to the Gemma 4 and Qwen3.5 small local models.

Price is appealing to me. I have been using gemini 3 flash mainly for chat. I may give it a try. input: $0.14/$0.28 (whereas gemini $0.5/$3) Does anyone know why output prices have such a big gap?

Output is what the compute is used for above all else; costs more hardware time basically than prompt processing (input) which is a lot faster

Re: DeepSeek v4

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post #45

Truly open source coming from China. This is heartwarming. I know if the potential ulterior motives.

American companies want a scan of your asshole for the privilege of paying to access their models, and unapologetically admit to storing, analyzing, training on, and freely giving your data to any authorities if requested. Chinese ulteriority is hypothetical, American is blatant.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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post #117

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Open weight!

Please don't slander the most open AI company in the world. Even more open than some non-profit labs from universities. DeepSeek is famous for publishing everything . They might take a bit to publish source code but it's almost always there. And their papers are extremely pro-social to help the broader open AI community. This is why they struggle getting funded because investors hate openness. And in China they strug…

DeepSeek's models are indeed open weight. Why do you feel that pointing this out would be considered slander?
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