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An update on recent Claude Code quality reports

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Re: An update on recent Claude Code quality reports

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so who do you trust and go to? (NotClearlySo)OpenAI?

At the moment, yeah. If Google ever figures out how to build an agentic model, I would use them as well. However you feel about OpenAI, at least their harness is actually open source and they don’t send lawyers after oss projects like opencode

Is Gemini cli not an agentic model? Or are you just saying it's built poorly? Gemini 2.5 didn't really work for me but Gemini 3 seems fairly solid

Re: An update on recent Claude Code quality reports

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Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. Normally, when you have a conversation with Claude Code, if your convo has N messages, then (N-1) messages hit prompt cache -- everything but the latest message. The challenge is: when you let a session idle for >1 hour, when you come back to it and send a prompt, it will be a full cache miss, all N messages. We noticed that this corner case led to outsized token costs for u…

Is having massive sessions which sit idle for hours (or days) at a time considered unusual? That's a really, really common scenario for me. Two questions if you see this: 1) if this isn't best practice, what is the best way to preserve highly specific contexts? 2) does this issue just affect idle sessions or would the cache miss also apply to /resume ?

Have the tool maintain a doc, and use either the built-in memory or (I prefer it this way) your own. I've been pretty critical of some other aspects of how Claude Code works but on this one I think they're doing roughly the right thing given how the underlying completion machinery works.

Edit: If you message me I can share some of my toolchain, it's probably similar to what a lot of other people here use but I've done some polishing recently.

Re: An update on recent Claude Code quality reports

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Why ban third party wrappers? All of this could've been sidestepped had you not banned them.

Because then they lose vertical integration and the extra ability it grants to tune settings to reduce costs / token use / response time for subscription users. Or improve performance and efficiency, if we’re generous and give them the benefit of the doubt. It makes sense, in a way. It means the subscription deal is something along the lines of fixed / predictable price in exchange for Anthropic controlling usage pat…

Nothing you wrote makes sense. The limits are so Anthropic isn't on a loss. If they can customize Claude using Code, I see no reason why they couldn't do so with other wrappers. Other wrappers can also make use of cache.

If you worry about "degraded" experience, then let people choose. People won't be using other wrappers if they turn out to be bad. People ain't stupid.

Re: An update on recent Claude Code quality reports

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I think it’s crazy that they do this, especially without any notice. I would not have renewed my subscription if I knew that they started doing this. Especially in the analysis part of my work I don‘t care about the actual text output itself most of the time but try to make the model „understand“ the topic. In the first phase the actual text output itself is worthless it just serves as an indicator that the context w…

So to defend a litte, its a Cache, it has to go somewhere, its a save state of the model's inner workings at the time of the last message. so if it expires, it has to process the whole thing again. most people don't understand that every message the ENTIRE history of the conversion is processed again and again without that cache. That conversion might of hit several gigs worth of model weights and are you expecting t…

No? It's not because it's a cache, it's because they're scared of letting you see the thinking trace. If you got the trace you could just send it back in full when it got evicted from the cache. This is how open weight models work.

Re: An update on recent Claude Code quality reports

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I see that with openai too, lots of responding to itself. Seems like a convenient way for them to churn tokens.

None of these companies have compute to spare. It’s not in their interest to use more tokens that necessary.

Sure it is. They're well aware their product is a money furnace and they'd have to charge users a few orders of magnitude more just to break even, which is obviously not an option. So all that's left is.. convince users to burn tokens harder, so graphs go up, so they can bamboozle more investors into keeping the ship afloat for a bit longer.

Re: An update on recent Claude Code quality reports

#207
post #169

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Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. Normally, when you have a conversation with Claude Code, if your convo has N messages, then (N-1) messages hit prompt cache -- everything but the latest message. The challenge is: when you let a session idle for >1 hour, when you come back to it and send a prompt, it will be a full cache miss, all N messages. We noticed that this corner case led to outsized token costs for u…

Is there a way to say: I am happy to pay a premium (in tokens or extra usage) to make sure that my resumed 1h+ session has all the old thinking? I understand you wouldn't want this to be the default, particularly for people who have one giant running session for many topics - and I can only imagine the load involved in full cache misses at scale. But there are other use cases where this thinking is critical - for ins…

Don't you have that by just resuming old convo?

The only issue is that it didn't hit the cache so it was expensive if you resume later.

Re: An update on recent Claude Code quality reports

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post #169

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Is there a way to say: I am happy to pay a premium (in tokens or extra usage) to make sure that my resumed 1h+ session has all the old thinking? I understand you wouldn't want this to be the default, particularly for people who have one giant running session for many topics - and I can only imagine the load involved in full cache misses at scale. But there are other use cases where this thinking is critical - for ins…

I think it’s crazy that they do this, especially without any notice. I would not have renewed my subscription if I knew that they started doing this. Especially in the analysis part of my work I don‘t care about the actual text output itself most of the time but try to make the model „understand“ the topic. In the first phase the actual text output itself is worthless it just serves as an indicator that the context w…

Pointing at their terms of service will definitely be the instantly summoned defense (as would most modern companies) but the fact that SaaS can so suddenly shift the quality of product being delivered for their subscription without clear notification or explicitly re-enrollment is definitely a legal oversight right now and Italy actually did recently clamp down on Netflix doing this[1]. It's hard to define what user expectations of a continuous product are and how companies may have violated it - and for a long time social constructs kept this pretty in check. As obviously inactive and forgotten about subscriptions have become a more significant revenue source for services that agreement has been eroded, though, and the legal system has yet to catch up.

1. Specifically, this suite was about price increases without clear consideration for both parties - but the same justifications apply to service restrictions without corresponding price decreases.

https://fortune.com/2026/04/20/italian-court-netflix-refunds...

Re: An update on recent Claude Code quality reports

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> My hypothesis is that some of this a perceived quality drop due to "luck of the draw" where it comes to the non-deterministic nature of [LLM] output. I think you must have learned that they’re more nondeterministic than you had thought, but then wrongly connected your new understanding to the recent model degradation. Note: they’ve been nondeterministic the whole time, while the widely-reported degradation is recen…

Er, no, I am fully aware that LLMs have always been non-deterministic.

Your argument seems to be that a statistically-improbable number of people all experienced ultimately- randomly-poor outputs, leading to only a misperception of model degradation… but this is not supported by reality, in which a different cause was found, so I was trying to connect your dots.

Re: An update on recent Claude Code quality reports

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I see some anthropic claude code people are reading the comments. A day or two ago I watched a video by theo t3.gg on whether claude got dumber. Even though he was really harsh on anthropic and said some mean stuff. I thought some of the points he was raising about claude code was quite apt. Especially when it comes to the harness bloat. I really hope the new features now stop and there is a real hard push for polish…

Everything else aside, their brief "experiment" with removing CC support from the Pro plan got me seriously considering other options. I've been wary of vendor lock-in the whole time, but it was a useful reminder. (opencode+openrouter will probably be my first port of call)
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