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To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by stackghost »

haritha-j wrote: post #36
diath wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > State law classifies camera-based tickets as mere violations, and they don’t add any points to a driver’s record, even though exceeding the speed limit by 11 miles per hour is worth four points on a license — but only if the offender is caught by a cop instead of a camera. Just three of those tickets suspends a driver’s license, but Giovansanti can keep on driving.

Ah. Well that sounds like the perfect system for a cop to exploit.

There's a reason why ACAB was coined.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by wahern »

ceejayoz wrote: post #48
voxadam wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cops don't give tickets to other cops.

In NYC, cops' friends are also exempt. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/16/nyregion/mathew-bianchi-n...

In California cops, family members of cops, and related personnel (e.g. police union officials) can get a special insignia on their license. So when they're pulled over and are asked to present their license....

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

raybb wrote: post #42

That's absolutely horrifying... Relatively small increases in speed dramatically increase the stopping distance and as such the danger of driving. Especially with a huge truck like that. That's why Amsterdam (with much more food traffic) has recently reduced speed limits a lot. > At 30km/h, the stopping distance of a car is 13 metres. At 50km/h it’s more than double at 27 metres. That 20km/h reduction is the crucial…

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Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by mw1 »

toast0 wrote: post #56
ceejayoz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYPD policy should probably consider repeated reckless disregard for the law to be a discipline issue.

If he paid the fine, I don't know that it's disregard for the law. The laws says if you do this, you owe a fine. If you pay the fine, it's following the law.

The law says if you murder someone you go to jail. Therefore, it’s following the law to murder someone as long as you take the punishment.

Of course not, the punishment is actually what happens because you disregarded and didn’t follow the law.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by pavon »

MisterTea wrote: post #28
iso1631 wrote: post #15

> Since 2022, traffic cameras have caught his pickup truck blasting through school zones or running red lights more than 547 times in that one borough In the UK speeding tickets get you 3 points (or more if you're really over like 50+ in a 30). Get 12 points in a 3 year period and you are banned from driving. I thought that the US had something similar for "moving violations" (rather than say parking). Is the penalty…

Traffic cameras identify the owner, the person who registered the vehicle, not the driver meaning there's no license to put points on. There is no points system (At least in NY) for registration to my knowledge.

Seems like one solution could be that after a certain number of violations the registration is revoked. And it can only be re-registered under special registration that allows use by a single driver.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #63
raybb wrote: post #42

That's absolutely horrifying... Relatively small increases in speed dramatically increase the stopping distance and as such the danger of driving. Especially with a huge truck like that. That's why Amsterdam (with much more food traffic) has recently reduced speed limits a lot. > At 30km/h, the stopping distance of a car is 13 metres. At 50km/h it’s more than double at 27 metres. That 20km/h reduction is the crucial…

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You are right. Why drive at a speed where you can merely maim someone when you can drive at a speed that will inevitably explode them like a grape between the fingers instead? After all, no accidents. Yet.

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Post by burkaman »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #63
raybb wrote: post #42

That's absolutely horrifying... Relatively small increases in speed dramatically increase the stopping distance and as such the danger of driving. Especially with a huge truck like that. That's why Amsterdam (with much more food traffic) has recently reduced speed limits a lot. > At 30km/h, the stopping distance of a car is 13 metres. At 50km/h it’s more than double at 27 metres. That 20km/h reduction is the crucial…

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Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by pavon »

iso1631 wrote: post #58
MiiMe19 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like guilty until proven innocent.

Not really, you are asked who was driving. If you are driving: You say "Me", then they give you the points You lie, say it "Bob", then you're guilty of perverting the course of justice. They then write to Bob, If Bob agrees, then he's also guilty of perverting the course of justice, but most of the time you'll both get away with it. If Bob disagrees, then they look more into it. If you refuse to answer then you're gu…

That would run afoul of the right against self-incrimination in the US[1]. The government can't compel someone to admit they were driving, and can't punish people for refusing. The government has to provide proof they were driving.

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/self-incrimination

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by tverbeure »

tantalor wrote: post #25

What is the point of this article? > Like all drivers in New York State, Giovansanti is immune to consequences as long as he pays the $50 tickets So he's allowed to do this. Why are we talking about it?

We are talking about this because part of the job of a journalist is to expose broken policies.
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