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If America's so rich, how'd it get so sad?

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Re: If America's so rich, how'd it get so sad?

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because research on this topic supports it. Happiness and wealth are correlated.

Really? Last I read the correlation breaks above a certain threshold, roughly that of "I don't need to worry about food or bills".

And that threshold would set someone in among richest 1 percent in the world.

Re: If America's so rich, how'd it get so sad?

#53
Very interesting article, and I can't help but compare with Canada.

Canada has fallen from 5th in 2015 to 25th in 2025 on that same World Happiness Report, but if you break it down by age demographics, over 60 are still in the top 10, and under 25's are 71st. That is the largest demographic gap of every developed country. During that time, Canada's economy has been propped up by debt, high levels of immigration leading to cheap foreign workers, and the housing market, all of which benefit the older demographics and sacrifice the wellbeing and future of younger generations.

I agree strongly with the author that inflation pays a massive role. Canada has seen even worse inflation than the USA, especially with housing and food prices. The youth unemployment rate is 14%. Canada is different from the states it appears, where the rise in unhappiness is mostly coming from the youth whereas in the States it seems to be a more general phenomenon. It's interesting how split Canada is on age demographics.

Interestingly enough, the author points to Quebec as an outlier. While they point to the language spoken as a differentiator, I think it's more likely that Quebec is simply shielded from some of the economic factors facing the rest of Canada since they hold massively disproportionate political power over the rest of Canada and receive a ton of extra federal funding from other provinces.

Re: If America's so rich, how'd it get so sad?

#54
post #34

I listened to a podcast recently which mentioned a rich person living in Florida for tax reasons but really wanting to live in New York. They had an app that counted down how long they needed to be in Florida day-by-day. They hated Florida. I like to think being rich is FU money to do what you want, “fuck being taxed, I have enough wealth to live in NY anyways.” I feel that the culture pressuring you to hoard wealth…

Isn't that what Britain used to do? "Tax exiles" living in exotic places for years at a time?

Re: If America's so rich, how'd it get so sad?

#56

because America's not rich; like 100 people here just have more money than most countries

there's over 20 million millionaires in the USA, that's like, what, 1 in 20?

A net worth millionaire nowadays is just a person who bought a single family home at least 10 years ago. A million bucks is not what it used to be.

Re: If America's so rich, how'd it get so sad?

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that’s only one aspect, the other is the economics make it so you have to be extraordinary to live ordinary.

If that’s how you feel then you might have an unreasonable standard. People you might consider to be living in abject poverty might not be so downtrodden as you suspect. Even though there are extreme downsides and externalities to being relatively poor, being lonely is not one of them.

I don't think I do when the average low-income worker makes $<40k/yr but the income required to live in a 1-bedroom apartment is $58k/yr.

Re: If America's so rich, how'd it get so sad?

#58
The earlier NYT article on the topic was interesting: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/26/opinion/economy-attitudes...

It was succinctly put: the top 10% of earners - those making 250k or more - do 50% of the spending. If you're a company with a product or service, are you going to cater to the 90% or the affluent 10%? Clearly the latter - so as a result the bottom 90% of the country just feels like they're "keeping up with the Joneses" all the time.

Probably a lot of hand-wavy behavioral economics here and I am sure the answer to "Why are we so sad" is more complex...

Re: If America's so rich, how'd it get so sad?

#59
post #7

Good article with a weird title. Why assume wealth and happiness are correlated?

Richard Easterlin found a correlation in 1974, and subsequent studies have reinforced that. See the Introduction in https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9802463/.
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