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To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by Tade0 »

Teever wrote: post #12

The solution is pretty straight forward. Fine should be scaled to your income and have an escalating multiplier for reoffense within the same category of offense with a cool down period of a few years if they don't break the law. I've brought this up many times online and people usually reply with something like "lots of people who have no income on paper but are wealthy speed" and a recent solution that I've seen po…

> escalating multiplier for reoffense within the same category of offense with a cool down period of a few years if they don't break the law.

My country - Poland - implemented this part a couple of years ago. Specifically a reoffense in the same category within two years results in a higher tier fine - about twice the usual amount. Fines were also adjusted for inflation after over 20 years of being nominally the same.

The rate of cars passing me doing 180km/h+, so 40km/h+ above the local 140km/h limit, fell drastically.

Particularly speeding cars in poor condition (like dangling linkages etc.) vanished. Nobody wants a ticket that's worth more than the car.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by ceejayoz »

tantalor wrote: post #25

What is the point of this article? > Like all drivers in New York State, Giovansanti is immune to consequences as long as he pays the $50 tickets So he's allowed to do this. Why are we talking about it?

NYPD policy should probably consider repeated reckless disregard for the law to be a discipline issue.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by john_strinlai »

branon wrote: post #16

They went to the guy's house, workplace? Followed him and took pictures? This article reads like a Kiwi Farms thread. Just saying. I'm not a fan of what they do, but that's what came to mind. And when people do undesirable things, documenting them for public awareness is important. But how deep is too deep when it comes to freelance investigative journalism of this type? e: critically I'm _agreeing_ that the reportin…

>But how deep is too deep when it comes to freelance investigative journalism of this type?

when the subject is a cop? no such thing.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by EvanAnderson »

tantalor wrote: post #25

What is the point of this article? > Like all drivers in New York State, Giovansanti is immune to consequences as long as he pays the $50 tickets So he's allowed to do this. Why are we talking about it?

Setting aside any concerns about cops being examples, public servants, etc, I'm shocked the NYPD's insurance doesn't have a problem with it.

My wife worked for a County government agency in Ohio. Her job duties included driving. She was required to report all traffic citations or crashes, regardless of when they occurred (during or outside of work hours), to the County and sign an affidavit annually attesting to such reporting.

If she exceeded a threshold of violations in a year the County's insurer would refuse to cover her. Because her job duties included driving this was considered grounds for termination.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by haritha-j »

diath wrote: post #27
haritha-j wrote: post #19

I don't understand, doesn't NY have a points system for driving licenses? In most places you could speed at most half a dozen times before you lose your license.

From the article: > State law classifies camera-based tickets as mere violations, and they don’t add any points to a driver’s record, even though exceeding the speed limit by 11 miles per hour is worth four points on a license — but only if the offender is caught by a cop instead of a camera. Just three of those tickets suspends a driver’s license, but Giovansanti can keep on driving.

Ah. Well that sounds like the perfect system for a cop to exploit.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by nateguchi »

MisterTea wrote: post #28
iso1631 wrote: post #15

> Since 2022, traffic cameras have caught his pickup truck blasting through school zones or running red lights more than 547 times in that one borough In the UK speeding tickets get you 3 points (or more if you're really over like 50+ in a 30). Get 12 points in a 3 year period and you are banned from driving. I thought that the US had something similar for "moving violations" (rather than say parking). Is the penalty…

Traffic cameras identify the owner, the person who registered the vehicle, not the driver meaning there's no license to put points on. There is no points system (At least in NY) for registration to my knowledge.

In the UK, the owner is liable for identifying the driver at the time of the incident. This is how it works with e.g. rental cars. If the owner doesn't identify the driver, they get the points

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

burkaman wrote: post #23
branon wrote: post #16

They went to the guy's house, workplace? Followed him and took pictures? This article reads like a Kiwi Farms thread. Just saying. I'm not a fan of what they do, but that's what came to mind. And when people do undesirable things, documenting them for public awareness is important. But how deep is too deep when it comes to freelance investigative journalism of this type? e: critically I'm _agreeing_ that the reportin…

His workplace is a public governmental building, so that seems like standard journalistic practice. It is also normal and appropriate to visit his house to seek a comment when he didn't respond through other channels. It would have been irresponsible and unethical to not put in an effort to speak with him before publishing this article. And taking a photo of a government official in public is again very normal, and i…

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Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by p_ing »

nateguchi wrote: post #37
MisterTea wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Traffic cameras identify the owner, the person who registered the vehicle, not the driver meaning there's no license to put points on. There is no points system (At least in NY) for registration to my knowledge.

In the UK, the owner is liable for identifying the driver at the time of the incident. This is how it works with e.g. rental cars. If the owner doesn't identify the driver, they get the points

In the US, you have the right to face your accuser. Since that's not possible with a camera, photo-based enforcement becomes a non-moving violation.

You can still point the finger at someone else when you get the ticket in the mail. Or just put a bunch of question marks in reply as it is on the State to prove their case, not for you to snitch on your own bad driving habits.

At least that is how it works in the state I live in.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Post by joebe89 »

iso1631 wrote: post #15

> Since 2022, traffic cameras have caught his pickup truck blasting through school zones or running red lights more than 547 times in that one borough In the UK speeding tickets get you 3 points (or more if you're really over like 50+ in a 30). Get 12 points in a 3 year period and you are banned from driving. I thought that the US had something similar for "moving violations" (rather than say parking). Is the penalty…

Worth noting that speeding past a school is also an aggravating factor in the UK for sentencing if you're required to go to court over speeding.
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