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Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by philwelch »

guelo wrote: post #106
philwelch wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fairly uncontroversial historical fact that the Jews are originally from Palestine. Why don't you do research on the early Zionists, if you're actually curious about the subject and not just trying to score points in an internet debate? Probably most of the early Zionists were very secularist.

Unfortunately I do not trust much of what I read about Israel, there is just too much propaganda from all sides. Everything is twisted for some cause. The only thing I know for certain is that the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 was probably a really bad idea since it has led to so many wars.

If you don't want to inform yourself, please spare us your uninformed speculation.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

#112

Post by philwelch »

kamaal wrote: post #107
philwelch wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California has been "invaded" and the existing set of people "driven out" what, two times going on three now? (The Spanish driving out the Indians, Americans driving out the Mexicans, and now Hispanics immigrating at record rates driving out white Americans). This narrative about driving people out is an oversimplification at best, though, just as much for Israel as for California.

>> and now Hispanics immigrating at record rates driving out white Americans I don't see Hispanics flying around in F-16's bombing white American colonies. If they do, I will be the first to speak out. What you seem to be talking about is natural change in demographics, where a group of people grow in population and the other group doesn't grow much. And then there is natural movement(like immigration in case of Hisp…

That's not a fair or intellectually honest response. Go win internet points jousting with other fanatics, preferably on Reddit.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by YZF »

cup wrote: post #103
philwelch wrote: post #96

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Because if they had that access, they would import weapons to use to kill Israeli civilians. Are you forgetting which side of this conflict tends to strap bombs onto their chests before walking into a nightclub?

Is it the same side that straps children to the front of armoured troop carriers? You're trying to make this a dichotomic issue when its not. How do you expect Hamas to maintain a truce with Israel when Israel prevents them from acquiring the basic tools necessary to govern! Why does Israel ban confectionary into Gaza?

I get it, no confectionery == we'll fire missiles randomly at your country. If confectionery is so important why don't they smuggle some from Egypt. Israel does have a policy of minimizing what they allow through their border to a bare minimum but there is another border and there is an option to negotiate improving the situation. If you said the policy was stupid I might agree with you but it doesn't justify the Hamas. If Hamas was motivated to reach some sort of long term stability they would act differently.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

#114

Post by skrebbel »

skrebbel wrote: post #29
earlyresort wrote: post #20

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The Arab world is already awash in antisemitic propaganda. This Twitter account isn't going to move the needle there. No, this account is aimed at Americans. It shares short, simple, true messages: Hamas is a terrorist organization, Hamas launches hundreds of rockets into Israel, Israel is defending itself, and Israel is rather good at defending itself. The messages are designed to be shared with friends, in order to…

I doubt it'll work. Before this, I merely thought of the Israeli government as a bunch of nazis who believe that driving people out of their homes is god's work. Now, I also think they're barbarians.

Self-reply: I am ashamed by this comment by now. In particular, the Nazi comparison is way out of line, and unnecessarily offensive. Overall, the comment is short-sighted and childish.

It's a testament to the overall excellence of the HN community that the comment sparked a discussion, not a flamewar.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by kamaal »

philwelch wrote: post #112
kamaal wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> and now Hispanics immigrating at record rates driving out white Americans I don't see Hispanics flying around in F-16's bombing white American colonies. If they do, I will be the first to speak out. What you seem to be talking about is natural change in demographics, where a group of people grow in population and the other group doesn't grow much. And then there is natural movement(like immigration in case of Hisp…

That's not a fair or intellectually honest response. Go win internet points jousting with other fanatics, preferably on Reddit.

Sorry, You said my statements were an oversimplification. I asked you to explain me how.

As a result you call my response intellectually dishonest, and ask me to go over to Reddit and talk to other fanatics.

Sorry, but no more replies from me. Also If have I hurt you by any means on this thread, accept my sincere apologies.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by guelo »

philwelch wrote: post #111
guelo wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately I do not trust much of what I read about Israel, there is just too much propaganda from all sides. Everything is twisted for some cause. The only thing I know for certain is that the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 was probably a really bad idea since it has led to so many wars.

If you don't want to inform yourself, please spare us your uninformed speculation.

And you can spare us your propaganda.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

#117

Post by kamaal »

epoxyhockey wrote: post #65
earlyresort wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Arab world is already awash in antisemitic propaganda. This Twitter account isn't going to move the needle there. No, this account is aimed at Americans. It shares short, simple, true messages: Hamas is a terrorist organization, Hamas launches hundreds of rockets into Israel, Israel is defending itself, and Israel is rather good at defending itself. The messages are designed to be shared with friends, in order to…

Coming from someone who isn't really engaged in the whole Israel-Palestine thing (and, honestly, won't be until they cause the next world war), this little display makes me feel like IDF is presenting a very real, serious act (killing a person) as if it is a game. The trophy eliminated graphic and youtube video.. it's almost like they aren't even serious about killing people and using military force. It has a reckles…

>>as if it is a game.

Its not even a game actually. I mean you are comparing two forces of totally unequal magnitude. Israel probably has several hundreds of times a more military power, air power and naval power than the Palestinians. The Palestinians do not even have a remote chance of even touching Israel.

>>it's almost like they aren't even serious about killing people and using military force.

Your opponents have a fleet of most advanced air power backed by the biggest, most powerful and technically sophisticated army owned by a super power in the whole world. Coupled with this unmatched ground power. What you have is a gun, crude weapons and rockets.

Is this even a competition? Think of it more like practice sessions.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by [deleted] »

philwelch wrote: post #91
kamaal wrote: post #78

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>>Zionism is the idea that Jews need a Jewish nation to take Jewish refugees fleeing persecution. Makes perfect sense. If you settle a persecuted set of people on a totally unoccupied land, which would be totally harmless. What I don't understand is the need to persecute one already existing set of people to accommodate another set of people who just got persecuted. If a persecuted tribe in Africa decides to settle d…

California has been "invaded" and the existing set of people "driven out" what, two times going on three now? (The Spanish driving out the Indians, Americans driving out the Mexicans, and now Hispanics immigrating at record rates driving out white Americans). This narrative about driving people out is an oversimplification at best, though, just as much for Israel as for California.

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Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by philwelch »

guelo wrote: post #116
philwelch wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't want to inform yourself, please spare us your uninformed speculation.

And you can spare us your propaganda.

What propaganda? You're contributing literally nothing to this discussion except to smear Israel with vague counterfactual innuendos, and accusing me of propaganda? I'm trying to be as fair and honest as I can be. What are you trying to do?

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by philwelch »

kamaal wrote: post #115
philwelch wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a fair or intellectually honest response. Go win internet points jousting with other fanatics, preferably on Reddit.

Sorry, You said my statements were an oversimplification. I asked you to explain me how. As a result you call my response intellectually dishonest, and ask me to go over to Reddit and talk to other fanatics. Sorry, but no more replies from me. Also If have I hurt you by any means on this thread, accept my sincere apologies.

No, you made an intentionally irrelevant quip about Hispanics in F-16's, thus demonstrating that you are doing everything in your power to deliberately miss the point. Of course there's no point responding to you. Reddit is exactly the place for that kind of nonsense.
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