The deck is stacked against Uber, Lyft and Sidecar. You have to realize that the taxi industry is a government-cab collaboration, with the customer getting fleeced. It is not as simple as "government grants license to cab operator, cab operator runs his cab and makes money". No. The government takes a cut from the daily action too. Use a credit card in the cab? The government takes a cut. Want to rent your medallion…
Lyft, SideCar, and Uber all slapped with $20K fines from CA regulator
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Re: Lyft, SideCar, and Uber all slapped with $20K fines from CA regulator
#52The deck is stacked against Uber, Lyft and Sidecar. You have to realize that the taxi industry is a government-cab collaboration, with the customer getting fleeced. It is not as simple as "government grants license to cab operator, cab operator runs his cab and makes money". No. The government takes a cut from the daily action too. Use a credit card in the cab? The government takes a cut. Want to rent your medallion…
Re: Lyft, SideCar, and Uber all slapped with $20K fines from CA regulator
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that's not how public safety works. Part of why this regulation exists is because having unregulated taxi drivers (at least to the judgement of lawmakers) poses a danger to everyone else on roads etc.
It surprises me that intelligent people are so ready to take bureaucrats and politicians at their word when they claim that "your safety is our priority".
Re: Lyft, SideCar, and Uber all slapped with $20K fines from CA regulator
#54The deck is stacked against Uber, Lyft and Sidecar. You have to realize that the taxi industry is a government-cab collaboration, with the customer getting fleeced. It is not as simple as "government grants license to cab operator, cab operator runs his cab and makes money". No. The government takes a cut from the daily action too. Use a credit card in the cab? The government takes a cut. Want to rent your medallion…
I wonder if Uber, Lyft and Sidecar aren't competing against each other right now, seeing as they have a common enemy. It would be wise to have all the people on your side as possible even if they won't be in the future.
Re: Lyft, SideCar, and Uber all slapped with $20K fines from CA regulator
#55The deck is stacked against Uber, Lyft and Sidecar. You have to realize that the taxi industry is a government-cab collaboration, with the customer getting fleeced. It is not as simple as "government grants license to cab operator, cab operator runs his cab and makes money". No. The government takes a cut from the daily action too. Use a credit card in the cab? The government takes a cut. Want to rent your medallion…
I've always thought AirBnB has as big a deck stacked against it (or bigger). There are a lot of cities whose main industry is tourism and collect 10%+ bed taxes. I can't imagine they'll give those up easily.
All the reports I've read have been spot on (though the AirBnB founders disagree). The hotels are paying this tax. Some of your members properties look awfully like a hotel. You collect the money, you collect the tax.
Unlike the taxi companies who actually have a monopoly, the hoteliers just want the same deal to apply to everyone.
Re: Lyft, SideCar, and Uber all slapped with $20K fines from CA regulator
#56The deck is stacked against Uber, Lyft and Sidecar. You have to realize that the taxi industry is a government-cab collaboration, with the customer getting fleeced. It is not as simple as "government grants license to cab operator, cab operator runs his cab and makes money". No. The government takes a cut from the daily action too. Use a credit card in the cab? The government takes a cut. Want to rent your medallion…
I've always thought AirBnB has as big a deck stacked against it (or bigger). There are a lot of cities whose main industry is tourism and collect 10%+ bed taxes. I can't imagine they'll give those up easily.
Most vacation rental agencies I've dealt with wish they were taxed as opposed to being de jure illegal but de facto tolerated. That uncertainty has made acquiring new properties and investing capital in the business quite risky.
That's not to say that the deck isn't somewhat stacked against vacation rentals. There is a hotel lobbie that's dead-set to kill the industry. Unlike the agencies, the hotel people are quite organized (although that's changing in my experience).
And there's an even greater threat from the fact that most vacation-rental properties are owned by foreigners who are seen as driving the price up of longer-term rentals because of the new emphasis on the short-term market. I do think that rising rental prices in many urban centers is the biggest short-term danger -- PR and real.
At the same time, vacation rentals are becoming more and more necessary to tourism in big cities. E.g., Paris has more than 75+k apartments rented by the week, with occupation rates above 50%. If you made it illegal, there wouldn't be nearly enough hotels to cover those millions of travelers. And enforcing a ban on a per-property basis would be extremely expensive in terms of man-power.
My prognosis is that the market matures, the cities find a way to benefit through taxation, vacation rentals become a bit less price-competitive versus hotels because of that taxation, and it grows from an $80b a year market to a $200b a year market [see http://software.homeaway.com/Media/Files/pdf/RezFest2012-Bre...].
I know next to nothing about Uber and that business, and I am sure the taxi lobby will do its best to kill it, but in the end one should never underestimate gov't ability to be clever when it comes to finding new revenue through taxation, especially during these times.
[I have invested in a couple of companies in Europe in the vacation rental market]
Re: Lyft, SideCar, and Uber all slapped with $20K fines from CA regulator
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh please. Regulation doesn't exist in a vacuum, and acting as if you're exempt from the law in the noble pursuit of lower prices is bollocks.
So please specify how, in this case, what is beneficial about the regulation of the taxi industry for consumers who want choices and lower prices?
Please specify how, in this case, what is beneficial about the illegal operation of a taxi company for consumers (and taxi drivers) concerned about safety?
See what I did there?
I'm, not going to dig through the history of taxi regulation in the SF bay area to defend a point that is already made in law. Rape on women by unlicensed taxi operators has led to calls for mandatory police checks in the UK. Attacks on drivers in NZ led to the introduction of cameras in all taxis. So, forgive me thinking that ignoring the law as a basis for undercutting the competition is a shitty way to run a business.
Re: Lyft, SideCar, and Uber all slapped with $20K fines from CA regulator
#58It's pretty clear to me that the folks that are suffering from über are the taxi dispatch companies. These companies lease out the cars for a daily fee, like 150 bucks per day. The driver can do whatever he wants as long as he pays that daily fee. The cab company pays insurance because they own the cabs. Cab drivers are essentially independent contractors. They start making money after they've covered the cab cost for the day.
So why should the cab companies care if a driver is using über? From what I've heard, when a dispatcher has a good order, like for a trip across town on a slow day, they'll ask for a cut. In other words the cab companies are supplementing their taxi rental service with a cut of the fares they dispatch. And as a cab driver, if you want to get good orders you have to stay on the dispatchers good side.
Über changes the balance of power. As more people use über, the drivers have to rely on the dispatchers less, and the tit-for-tat system is deflated. I think this class action suit is an attempt to retain the status quo by cab companies. Über shouldn't be responsible for insurance until they start owning their own cabs. If the cab companies have their way, both the drivers and passengers will suffer.
Re: Lyft, SideCar, and Uber all slapped with $20K fines from CA regulator
#59In practice these behave exactly like a taxi service. I don't think it matters much who owns the cars. No one would argue that a cab company from, say, LA, should be able to just bring a portion of its fleet to SF and start picking up passengers without complying with the laws that govern taxis here. If these start-ups affect the market in essentially the same way, we and they all know they are trying to enter a mark…