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Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by throwup238 »

darkwater wrote: post #219
liveoneggs wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But those things all require more pods on the cluster! We've looped back around to the beginning.

Exactly my point. But then developers: "I just want to go to my Heroku days again!" but then with a sufficient big company there are maaany developers doing things their slightly different way, and then other effects start compounding, and then costs go up because 15 different teams are using 27 different solutions and and and... But yeah, let's just spin-up a shadow IT VM with Debian like GP said, it's easy!

> But yeah, let's just spin-up a shadow IT VM with Debian like GP said, it's easy!

That’s literally how they sold AWS in the beginning.

Cloud won not because of costs or flexibility but because it allowed teams to provision their own machines from their budget instead of going through all the red tape with their IT departments creating… a bunch of shadow IT VMs!

Everything old is new again, except it works on an accelerated ten year cycle in the IT industry.

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Post by appreciatorBus »

andai wrote: post #54
clktmr wrote: post #49

> Agents, by making it easiest to write code, means there will be a lot more software. Economists would call this an instance of Jevons paradox. Each of us will write more programs, for fun and for work. There is already so much software out there, which isn't used by anyone. Just take a look at any appstore. I don't understand why we are so obsessed with cranking out even more, whereas the obvious usecase for LLMs s…

Alas, we shifted from quality to quantity somewhere in the mid 19th century.

Humans have been making quality versus quantity decisions since the time we first grew these big giant brains of ours a million or two years ago, maybe longer.

If you wanted to, you could make an argument about the principal-agent problem - that as hunter-gatherers or subsistence, farmers, our quality versus quantity decisions only affected us, whereas in a market economy, you could argue that one person’s quality versus quantity decision affects someone else.

But dismantling capitalism will not solve this problem. It just moves the decision-making to a different group of people. Those people will face the same trade-offs and the same incentives. After the Revolution, even the most loyal comrade will have to contend with the fact that they can choose to provide the honourable working class with more of a thing if they drop the quality.

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Post by acedTrex »

tjarjoura wrote: post #243
adamtulinius wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you spin up Kubernetes for "a couple of containers to run your web app", I think you're doing something wrong in the first place, also coupled with your comment about adding SDN to Kubernetes. People use Kubernetes for way too small things, and it sounds like you don't have the scale for actually running Kubernetes.

In some sense, Kubernetes is just a portable platform for running Linux services, even on a single node using something like K3s. I almost see it as being an extension of the Linux OS layer.

This is what I do for small stuff, debian vm, k3s on it for a nicer http based deployment api.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by jFriedensreich »

I have trouble seeing how this is different to linode, if i invest time in a new VM api, this has to work for cloud or my own machines transparently. Lastly as much as i share the disappointment in k8s promise, this seems a bit too simple, there is a reason homelabs mostly standardised on compose files.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by jkukul »

dajonker wrote: post #74

> Making Kubernetes good is inherently impossible, a project in putting (admittedly high quality) lipstick on a pig. So well put, my good sir, this describes exactly my feelings with k8s. It always starts off all good with just managing a couple of containers to run your web app. Then before you know it, the devops folks have decided that they need to put a gazillion other services and an entire software-defined netw…

> I ended up saying goodbye to those devops folks,

The irony is that "DevOps" was supposed to be a culture and a set of practices, not a job title. The tools that came with it (=Kubernetes) turned out to be so complex that most developers didn't want to deal with them and the DevOps became a siloed role that the movement was trying to eliminate.

That's why I have an ick when someone uses devops as a job title. Just say "System Admin" or "Infrastrcutre Engineer". Admit that you failed to eliminate the siloes.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by icedchai »

jkukul wrote: post #285
dajonker wrote: post #74

> Making Kubernetes good is inherently impossible, a project in putting (admittedly high quality) lipstick on a pig. So well put, my good sir, this describes exactly my feelings with k8s. It always starts off all good with just managing a couple of containers to run your web app. Then before you know it, the devops folks have decided that they need to put a gazillion other services and an entire software-defined netw…

> I ended up saying goodbye to those devops folks, The irony is that "DevOps" was supposed to be a culture and a set of practices, not a job title. The tools that came with it (=Kubernetes) turned out to be so complex that most developers didn't want to deal with them and the DevOps became a siloed role that the movement was trying to eliminate. That's why I have an ick when someone uses devops as a job title. Just s…

Yep, "Cloud Infrastructure Engineer" is what I prefer.

I am primarily a backend developer but I do a lot of ops / infra work because nobody else wants to do it. I stay as far away from k8s as possible.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by ghthor »

m4ck_ wrote: post #222
dajonker wrote: post #74

> Making Kubernetes good is inherently impossible, a project in putting (admittedly high quality) lipstick on a pig. So well put, my good sir, this describes exactly my feelings with k8s. It always starts off all good with just managing a couple of containers to run your web app. Then before you know it, the devops folks have decided that they need to put a gazillion other services and an entire software-defined netw…

And if you need a cluster, Hashicorp Nomad seems like a more reasonable option than full blown kubernetes. I've never actually used it in prod, only a lab, but I enjoyed it.

We run nomad at work. I’m very happy with it from an administrative standpoint.

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Post by 999900000999 »

I really want an open source version of Firebase with feature parity.

I don’t care about how the backend works. Superbase requires magical luck to self host.

A lot of cloud providers have very generous free tiers to hook you and then the moment things take off , it’s a small fortune to keep the servers on.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by mindcrime »

serbrech wrote: post #148
dajonker wrote: post #74

> Making Kubernetes good is inherently impossible, a project in putting (admittedly high quality) lipstick on a pig. So well put, my good sir, this describes exactly my feelings with k8s. It always starts off all good with just managing a couple of containers to run your web app. Then before you know it, the devops folks have decided that they need to put a gazillion other services and an entire software-defined netw…

Yes, I mean, I’m an engineer on a cloud Kubernetes service, and I don’t run Kubernetes for my home services. I just run podman quadlets (systems units). But that is entirely different from an enterprise scale setup with monitoring, alerting, and scale in mind…

Similar deal here. My $dayjob title is "Cloud Engineer" and I spend a lot of my time working with AKS and Istio. But for some recent personal projects at home, I've just been running Docker Swarm on a single server. It's just lighter and less complicated, and for what I'm doing it more than satisfies my needs. Now if this was going to production at mass scale, I might consider switching to K8S, but for experimentation and initial development, it would be way overkill.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by ghthor »

LoganDark wrote: post #97
spockz wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember from the docs you can use node names. At the very least you can use tags for sure. Assign tags to nodes and define the ACL based on those.

Last I read the docs while troubleshooting this very problem, you cannot specify node names as the source or destination of a grant. You can specify direct IP address ranges, node groups (including autogenerated ones) or tags, but not names. Tags permanently erase the user identity from a device, and disable things like Taildrop. When I tried to assign a tag for ACLs, I found that I then could not remove it and had t…

You can ack based on groups, and you can out users into groups. So if you auth a node, it’s now your node and the ACL for your user / group will apply.

But yes I don’t think you can ACL based o the hostname

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