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Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Mental help is never a cost for society At the risk of going “No True Scotsman” on this assertion, I would point out that providing such services has been increasingly lucrative and it is a growth industry where new providers are arising constantly, and existing ones are expanding vigorously. That means that the space for fraud, waste, and abuse is gigantic. I have, on occasion, perused the FOIA lists of de-license…
The vultures circling taxpayer money are active in all areas where there's blind spending without oversight. This has been known since forever.
There is a unique character to grifting and fraud in the BH industry. Look at other entitlements such as housing. With HUD/Section 8 they pay for rent, and it goes to housing or it doesn't. It may go for low-quality housing or overpriced housing, but typically it puts a roof over one's head. Or SNAP: it pays for food. Fraudsters may find a way to trade it and use it illicitly, or purchase nothing but tri-tip steak, candy and Sprite, but that's food and it goes in your belly. Any cash-based entitlements that go into a citizen's pocket, they have qualified and applied and run the gauntlet of paperwork for that; generally they spend that money on well-being, but that's personal money in the bank, and will not fund institutionalized fraud.
With BH treatment, what is paid for? What efficacy does it have? How does it work? Nobody really knows. Is more better? What are the best methods? Nobody really knows. BH success comes down to obedience and compliance.
Furthermore, we've discussed mass shootings in here a bit, and I just want to mention how the BH system encourages and increases mass shootings. There is nothing like a melange of psychoactive drugs in someone's system to give them S.I. and H.I. We saw it as early as Charles Whitman and we saw it again at Columbine. Listen to the news: anytime an active shooter "had a history of mental illness" they were probably hopped up on drugs to do the deed. There's a Broken Window Fallacy at work, only it's about broken lives, human violence, and hospitalization. So think about that when you call for more funding, more legislation, more treatment: it's an ourobouros that would make Trent Reznor suffer.
Clinics, as I said, are new religious movements. HUD and SNAP cannot fund the establishment of new religions. What could possibly be more ripe for exploitation than vulnerable religious adherents and cult members (who firmly believe that they are medical paitients!) and juicy tax dollars that pay for amorphous "services"?
Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope that you feel better now. And I am very happy that you got help. Mental help is never a cost for society, it is an investment.
> Mental help is never a cost for society At the risk of going “No True Scotsman” on this assertion, I would point out that providing such services has been increasingly lucrative and it is a growth industry where new providers are arising constantly, and existing ones are expanding vigorously. That means that the space for fraud, waste, and abuse is gigantic. I have, on occasion, perused the FOIA lists of de-license…
My partner in the USA texted a state-wide hotline for mental health. What she got was a simple not-even-chatGPT chatbot that ignored everything she said and, quite frankly, made it worse. It makes me absolutely furious.
I think that the people inside the US healthcare system mean well, but unfortunately the system itself is setup purely to generate exponential profits off illness. I think that the range of therapy, and sometimes medication that we have available to us is a fucking godsend and I'm glad that it's improving, but the number of gates in front of getting any of it are often completely impossible for someone who is in physical or mental peril.
Both me and my wife have been homeless, and there is -no support- for this. There's "support" on paper, but the reality of it is that most shelters have turn you away because they're underfunded and overfilled. Receiving support is a difficult thing to navigate when you're doing well, which makes a lot of the hurdles impossible to navigate when you're not doing well.
It would be cheaper and vastly more effective to simply give people UBI, a place to stay (there are hundreds of thousands of places with no homeowner and actively rotting in the UK, because they've been bought up by a conglomerate and neglected), and addiction support/mental health support. The research even supports the efficacy of doing this, and various pilot programs show that it's vastly more effective and cheaper. But hah! It doesn't seem like it should work because of the lies that have been told about the homeless, and it's not convenient to the narrative of "you just gotta work harder. I guess it's your fault you're poor" so I guess we're not getting it anytime soon.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The social worker in question forced confinement on children… Sure. Because they needed it. (And there are a lot of social workers at much lower acuities than forensic psych wards for violent kids.) Kids don't like getting vaccinations, either, but stabbing the pediatrician in revenge is clearly not the solution to that. The pediatrician doesn't need a polio booster.
This is not a forensic psych ward. The only way to get into those is to commit an actual serious crime, which is pretty hard to do before you're 18 years old. This environment is referred to as "closed", sometimes even "semi-closed". There's also "open" and "semi-open", but almost everyone runs away. You see, social workers' theories ... don't work. Don't help. And kids realize this pretty quickly. The only kids you…
> I started fighting sports at age 3
You’re on the very high acuity end of things. I’m not sure you even realize it.
> I'm pretty used to "opinions" like yours. People have no idea how social workers actually do things, and they don't want to.
There’s a whole world of social work that isn’t desperately trying to regulate people who were in Toddler Fight Club out there.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Replace the phrase "people with guns" with "institutional violence" because that's what the police are. When police are called to the scene, the intention of the caller is violence, not to help. If the intention was help, then actual helpers would be called instead.
If you watched random police encounters for 6 hours a day (pretty much everything is bodycam'ed nowadays), every day for the rest of your life, you would see about 1 police killing video per decade, and probably never see a police murder. Don't let headlines and internet rage detach you from reality.
Not all police abuse results in murder, but that still doesn't make it okay just because it could be worse.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not a forensic psych ward. The only way to get into those is to commit an actual serious crime, which is pretty hard to do before you're 18 years old. This environment is referred to as "closed", sometimes even "semi-closed". There's also "open" and "semi-open", but almost everyone runs away. You see, social workers' theories ... don't work. Don't help. And kids realize this pretty quickly. The only kids you…
> I started fighting sports at age 3 You’re on the very high acuity end of things. I’m not sure you even realize it. > I'm pretty used to "opinions" like yours. People have no idea how social workers actually do things, and they don't want to. There’s a whole world of social work that isn’t desperately trying to regulate people who were in Toddler Fight Club out there.
> There’s a whole world of social work that isn’t desperately trying to regulate people who were in Toddler Fight Club out there.
1) You have a very weird idea of fighting sports. Fight club is just drunkards hitting each other like girls. Real fighting is an art.
2) No there isn't. There's just social workers who desperately try to tell themselves they're not part of this.
Or if you prefer the academic approach, here is the biggest study ever of social work: https://mitsloan.mit.edu/shared/ods/documents?PublicationDoc...
TLDR: kids do better abused at home than well taken care of in the best youth help has to offer: foster care by family. Every other form of help is worse than that. And the more "help" children receive from social workers, the more crimes they commit later, the more they commit suicide, the less they read, ... etc.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I started fighting sports at age 3 You’re on the very high acuity end of things. I’m not sure you even realize it. > I'm pretty used to "opinions" like yours. People have no idea how social workers actually do things, and they don't want to. There’s a whole world of social work that isn’t desperately trying to regulate people who were in Toddler Fight Club out there.
> There’s a whole world of social work that isn’t desperately trying to regulate people who were in Toddler Fight Club out there. 1) You have a very weird idea of fighting sports. Fight club is just drunkards hitting each other like girls. Real fighting is an art. 2) No there isn't. There's just social workers who desperately try to tell themselves they're not part of this. Or if you prefer the academic approach, her…
That's a study of foster care. Frequently performed by non-social-workers.
Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline
#158If we want people to feel safe talking about suicidal thoughts, we need to rework the involuntary commitment laws. As it is now, a person has every reason to be fearful about opening up. You can be imprisoned, humiliated, and medicated against your will, all without due process of law, just because you were careless with your words.
Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline
#159If we want people to feel safe talking about suicidal thoughts, we need to rework the involuntary commitment laws. As it is now, a person has every reason to be fearful about opening up. You can be imprisoned, humiliated, and medicated against your will, all without due process of law, just because you were careless with your words.
Murderers who are declared insane by a court aren't even involuntary committed for lengthy periods of time.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m glad that it helped and that it worked for such a seemingly somatic issue. I wouldn’t have thought that.
That's understandable. I went through a period of chronic pain and, had it continued, I likely wouldn't be alive today. The mechanisms protecting us from non-existence by millions of years of evolution can be eroded by pain. It's not something you realize you even have to lose until you've experienced it firsthand. I certainly never expected it, and it's hard for me to imagine what I'd intended while going through it…
The pain doesn't even have to be physical for this same erosion effect to occur.