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Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

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Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

Marching humanoid terminator robots will never be as cheap as a drone. Autonomous suicide drone swarms are what should terrify you.

Most military grade drones cost $10k or more and they can only be used once.

An optimized quadruped could probably be built for the same price and have an integrated 60mm mortar instead. The front legs act as the bipod and the rear legs would be designed to dig into the ground for stabilization. The only problem here is reloading the mortar, which could be done using a revolver style magazine. That's 5 shots per robot vs 1 per drone.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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post #112

My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

> If war is mostly played out from a disrance I left a company because they pivoted to exactly this. There are so many companies in this space today, testing what they call "physical AI autonomy" today, and we have to recognize that this is our today. There are entire marketplace options for buying the pretrained, supported, private models, or the datasets if you have your own goals. If you're interested purely in di…

It's going to happen and at some level I'd rather war casualties were measured in robots rather than people.

My concern is the cottage industry of integrating guns with half baked AI at the lowest cost. And probably vibe coded too.

The companies don't care - a sale is a sale. MoD maybe doesn't care - 90% accuracy and less human casualties on their own side are a win. Governments want to save money and by the time they find out the robots go rogue, it will be too late to do anything about it.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ping Pong is what you play for fun in the basement. The competitive sport is Table Tennis.

This is like software developers who write javascript wanting to be called engineers, isn't it

Erm, excuse me?

The professional engineering language is called TypeScript.

JavaScript is what you use to add popups to your GeoCities WebSite.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#155

I find Sony's work valuable. In my opinion, the primary purpose of AI is still, first and foremost, to relieve us of the physical labor we don't want to do. The next step to be taken is to create a universal basic income. Evolution will then unfold, as creative people will be able to dedicate their whole life undisturbed to the problems they deem important. Here a video where one can actually see the robot in action:…

> In my opinion, the primary purpose of AI is still, first and foremost, to relieve us of the physical labor we don't want to do.

Why only physical labour? There might be a lot of admin or thought labour (non physical) that we don't want to do either.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If war is mostly played out from a disrance I left a company because they pivoted to exactly this. There are so many companies in this space today, testing what they call "physical AI autonomy" today, and we have to recognize that this is our today. There are entire marketplace options for buying the pretrained, supported, private models, or the datasets if you have your own goals. If you're interested purely in di…

It's going to happen and at some level I'd rather war casualties were measured in robots rather than people. My concern is the cottage industry of integrating guns with half baked AI at the lowest cost. And probably vibe coded too. The companies don't care - a sale is a sale. MoD maybe doesn't care - 90% accuracy and less human casualties on their own side are a win. Governments want to save money and by the time the…

The problem is always the same. It's not just MoD (is it MoW now?) that will have access to this.

YoloV8 + optical flow works fine on an esp32. You want to give a drone rough coordinates for a refinery and hit something in it, like a storage tank? That'll work. This means, give it 5 years, relatively small groups will have access to it. This cannot be stopped.

The only real answer is to work to have groups that you can trust to have access to this first.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#157

My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

China had more births in 2025 than all of europe and russia combined so I don't think they're going to run out of soldiers.

The births of 2025 will be the warriors of 2050. By then, a bunch of those will be needed to, you know, run things around the country. It's clear that China is going to use tech (as in, artificial wombs, neural implants for optimized beaurocracy, and plenty of robots.)

My big question is:

- will they keep the human bodies warm to care for the elderly, and send robots to war ?

- will they keep the robots to take care of the elderly, and send the young's to war ?

- will they dispose f the elderly to keep their edge ?

- will they play long and wait things out ?

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#158

My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

Remote controlled autonomous robots/drones can also be used for, say, elder care. A nurse can log in to a HelperBot remotely, check up on the client, tidy up the house and maybe even give medication. Instead of having to drive around between clients, losing maybe hours a day just on transit, one person can manage more people per day. ...but the same system can be modified for KillerBot easily like we know from EVERY…

Honestly that sounds dystopian even ignoring the killer robot aspect. Imagine the only "flesh and blood" human contact you have being optimised away to reduce cost by 10-20%.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to happen and at some level I'd rather war casualties were measured in robots rather than people. My concern is the cottage industry of integrating guns with half baked AI at the lowest cost. And probably vibe coded too. The companies don't care - a sale is a sale. MoD maybe doesn't care - 90% accuracy and less human casualties on their own side are a win. Governments want to save money and by the time the…

The problem is always the same. It's not just MoD (is it MoW now?) that will have access to this. YoloV8 + optical flow works fine on an esp32. You want to give a drone rough coordinates for a refinery and hit something in it, like a storage tank? That'll work. This means, give it 5 years, relatively small groups will have access to it. This cannot be stopped. The only real answer is to work to have groups that you c…

> The only real answer is to work to have groups that you can trust to have access to this first.

How will this help exactly?

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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post #112

My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

> If war is mostly played out from a disrance I left a company because they pivoted to exactly this. There are so many companies in this space today, testing what they call "physical AI autonomy" today, and we have to recognize that this is our today. There are entire marketplace options for buying the pretrained, supported, private models, or the datasets if you have your own goals. If you're interested purely in di…

People saw Black Mirror and made a business plan out of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalhead_(Black_Mirror)

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