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I am building a cloud

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Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by elAhmo »

dajonker wrote: post #74

> Making Kubernetes good is inherently impossible, a project in putting (admittedly high quality) lipstick on a pig. So well put, my good sir, this describes exactly my feelings with k8s. It always starts off all good with just managing a couple of containers to run your web app. Then before you know it, the devops folks have decided that they need to put a gazillion other services and an entire software-defined netw…

Not advocating for complexity or k8s, but if your workflow can be served by a single VM, then you are magnitudes away from the volume and complexity that would push you to have k8s setup and there is even no debate of it.

There are situations where a single VM, no matter how powerful is, can do the job.

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Post by stingraycharles »

barrkel wrote: post #109
jeffrallen wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to spell this out more clearly for the back row.of the classroom: The price is what the customer will pay, regardless of your costs.

Economics teaches us that a big difference between cost and price attracts competition which should make the price trend towards the cost.

If this is the case, cheap bandwidth for AWS, when?

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Post by gregdelhon »

dajonker wrote: post #74

> Making Kubernetes good is inherently impossible, a project in putting (admittedly high quality) lipstick on a pig. So well put, my good sir, this describes exactly my feelings with k8s. It always starts off all good with just managing a couple of containers to run your web app. Then before you know it, the devops folks have decided that they need to put a gazillion other services and an entire software-defined netw…

Not so surprised that the architecture approach pushed by cloud vendors are... increasing cloud spend!

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by synack »

stingraycharles wrote: post #184
synack wrote: post #179

Have we already forgotten about the NSA's "SSL added and removed here! :)" slide that Snowden showed us? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6641378

I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. Cloud is bad?

Nevermind, I misread their HTTPS proxy documentation. Cloud is fine.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by mattbee »

faangguyindia wrote: post #9

i just use Hetzner. Everything which cloud companies provide just cost so much, my own postgres running with HA setup and backup cost me 1/10th the price of RDS or CloudSQL service running in production over 10 years with no downtime. i directly autoscales instances off of the Metrics harvested from graphana it works fine for us, we've autoscaler configured via webhooks. Very simple and never failed us. i don't know…

I founded a hosting company 25 years ago when User-Mode Linux was the hot new virtualisation tech. We aspired to just replicate the dedicated server experience because that was obviously how you deploy services with the most flexibility, and UML made it so cheap! Through the 2010s I (extremely wrongly) assumed that being metered on each little part of their stack was not something most developers would choose, for the sake of a little convenience.

Does a regular 20-something software engineer still know how to turn some eBay servers & routers into a platform for hosting a high-traffic web application? Because that is still a thing you can do! (I've done it last year to make a 50PiB+ data store). I'm genuinely curious how popular it is for medium-to-big projects.

And Hetzner gives you almost all of that economic upside while taking away much of the physical hassle! Why are they not kings of the hosting world, rather than turning over a modest €367M (2021).

I find it hard to believe that the knowledge to manage a bunch of dedicated servers is that arcane that people wouldn't choose it for this kind of gigantic saving.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by IsTom »

ferngodfather wrote: post #121
dajonker wrote: post #74

> Making Kubernetes good is inherently impossible, a project in putting (admittedly high quality) lipstick on a pig. So well put, my good sir, this describes exactly my feelings with k8s. It always starts off all good with just managing a couple of containers to run your web app. Then before you know it, the devops folks have decided that they need to put a gazillion other services and an entire software-defined netw…

Cloud providers have put a lot of time and effort into making you believe every web app needs 99.9999% availability. Making you pay for auto scaled compute, load balancers, shared storage, HA databases, etc, etc. All of this just adds so much extra complexity. If I'm running Amazon.com then sure, but your average app is just fine on a single VM.

And funnily recently many of the Big Serious Cloud Websites are shitting the bed of availability aggressively.
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