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Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by tomjen3 »

confluence wrote: post #5

Holy shit! What the fuck are they doing? This is absolutely insane! What better way to create more terrorists than by laughing in their faces, publishing military operations on Twitter as if they were trivial events, showing military kill strikes on YouTube and using game like graphics stating their leaders have been "eliminated". Do you want to enrage your enemy into more violence or do you want to win? Do your mili…

What Obama did with Osama was a fucking scandal and should have cost him the presidency.

The only way thing the muslim murders fear is humiliation. A quick martyrdom followed by a dignified burial at sea is not going to deter anybody. And they have all the reason they need to hate the US so long as there are soldiers on 'muslim' land. Just as they have plenty of things to hate Israel for, no matter what they are posting on twitter.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by cubicle67 »

gyardley wrote: post #24
philwelch wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it very strange that people criticize Israel for assassinating terrorist, but say nothing about Obama's kill list or drone strikes.

Interesting, how people hold the world's only Jewish state to a different moral standard than every other country. There's a word for that.

different in that Israel is allowed to do things we'd never accept from any other nation?

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by xenophanes »

eoin_murphy wrote: post #36
stickfigure wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wild guess: This is for domestic consumption, or consumption by western allies. The face you present to your own citizens is not the face you present to your enemy. Most Palestinians probably don't read english anyways.

It may be for domestic consumption but there are plenty of Palestinians who do speak English and I'm pretty sure at least some of them are on Twitter. After all, if a Danish cartoon in a newspaper can set off riots in countries where it is not published then I'm sure public posts on a very popular website will get some coverage. Regardless of how the Palestinians react to it, it does just seem a very dehumanized way…

What dehumanizing? You give no examples. I go to the twitter feed and see tweets like this:

> Over 50 rockets fired from #Gaza hit Israel since yesterday -- more than 800 rockets in 2012 alone. RT this. #Hamas

> 1 million citizens in #Israel slept in bomb shelters tonight, barraged by dozens of rockets from #Gaza. pic.twitter.com/LqPfjaTj

Seems like they are explaining things in simple terms so more humans can understand what's happening. I don't get how communicating so more humans will understand is dehumanizing.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by confluence »

pinaceae wrote: post #44
confluence wrote: post #5

Holy shit! What the fuck are they doing? This is absolutely insane! What better way to create more terrorists than by laughing in their faces, publishing military operations on Twitter as if they were trivial events, showing military kill strikes on YouTube and using game like graphics stating their leaders have been "eliminated". Do you want to enrage your enemy into more violence or do you want to win? Do your mili…

you mean besides the 'iconic' picture of the war room with Obama and his top aides watching the raid? detailed accounts of what happened? pictures of the aftermath? an onslaught of books, movies, references? nope, nothing at all. but somehow everyone knows that seal team six is BADASS. pointing to the US, of all countries, as a counter example is a cognitive dissonance of such magnitude, it is baffling. greetings fro…

Those were press releases - they happen everyday to report serious events.

The White House pictures showed no glee and did not trivialise the situation - they were serious and released appropriately. No photos of Osama or his assassination were released.

The pictures of the aftermath were from Pakistan.

Books/Movies/References occur with any high impact event - you cannot stop them.

Greetings from "get off your high horse", the real world is messy - hence you deal with the situations as best you can as they arise - but obviously Europe is doing just fine - so we should all probably listen to you.

Oh wait - no you aren't.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by cema »

tomjen3 wrote: post #51
confluence wrote: post #5

Holy shit! What the fuck are they doing? This is absolutely insane! What better way to create more terrorists than by laughing in their faces, publishing military operations on Twitter as if they were trivial events, showing military kill strikes on YouTube and using game like graphics stating their leaders have been "eliminated". Do you want to enrage your enemy into more violence or do you want to win? Do your mili…

What Obama did with Osama was a fucking scandal and should have cost him the presidency. The only way thing the muslim murders fear is humiliation. A quick martyrdom followed by a dignified burial at sea is not going to deter anybody. And they have all the reason they need to hate the US so long as there are soldiers on 'muslim' land. Just as they have plenty of things to hate Israel for, no matter what they are post…

  What Obama did with Osama was a fucking scandal 
  and should have cost him the presidency.
Why?

  The only way thing the muslim murders fear is humiliation.
Why?

  A quick martyrdom followed by a dignified burial at sea 
  is not going to deter anybody.
Why?

Look, I understand frustration and feelings, but we can talk rationally here.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by xenophanes »

genuine wrote: post #23

The scary thing is that I heard "some expert" recently on NPR that Iran does more harm to us (e.g. 1979-1980 hostage crisis) when the Democrats are in control, because usually the Democrats don't have the strong military stance of the Republicans. This could be extrapolated to "if Israel doesn't do this sort of thing, then it will be a sign of weakness to the Palestinians, Iran, and others", however I don't think tha…

What is awful?

Israel defends themselves -- not enough (if some Israeli innocents still get murdered and Israel still attacked in the future, how can that be enough defense?) -- and you call it "awful"? Explain yourself!

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by wsc981 »

confluence wrote: post #5

Holy shit! What the fuck are they doing? This is absolutely insane! What better way to create more terrorists than by laughing in their faces, publishing military operations on Twitter as if they were trivial events, showing military kill strikes on YouTube and using game like graphics stating their leaders have been "eliminated". Do you want to enrage your enemy into more violence or do you want to win? Do your mili…

I don't see any emotional tones attached to the Tweets, like you seem to suggest in your comment. Now you receive the news from tweets -from the moment it happens- instead of reading about it in tomorrow's paper.

I guess Israel feels they need to be more in control of the news that will be send out, sending the news out themselves from the moment it happens is one way of achieving this.

I see the need for this. Here in Europe many countries, organisations (like the EU) and media outlets seem to be more politically aligned with Arab nations compared to Israel. I believe this to be because the Arab nations are much more worth as trade partner to Europe compared to Israel and in the end money makes the world go round. Perhaps by sending these tweets Israel can gain more support from the (European) citizens.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by skrebbel »

philwelch wrote: post #27
sk5t wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that a majority of the American people support Israel the way that a majority of American politicians apparently do. My perception is that Zionists are a very powerful special interest group.

"Support Israel" is such a vague term. You can oppose individual policies or decisions while still supporting the basic existence of the country. The American right tends to be supportive of Israel. The American left is slightly more split, but since American Jews tend to be left-wing they exert enough of an influence on the rest. This doesn't tend to be as true in Europe, where anti-semitism never went fully out of…

Hm, I'm curious: where in Europe is anti-semitism not "fully out of fashion"? I only know my own experience, of course (the Netherands). My impression is that here, apart from Arab immigrants, people couldn't really care less whether someone's Jewish. Most Dutch Jews are so Dutch that it's hard to tell they're Jewish at all, except possibly by their names. But all of this may also be because there are so few Jews in the Netherlands these days (the Nazis did a pretty, ehm, thorough job here, unfortunately).

(This, of course, assumes that by antisemitism you mean actual hatred of Jews, and not "being critical of the something the Israeli government does or did")

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by skrebbel »

skrebbel wrote: post #45
philwelch wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Before this, I merely thought of the Israeli government as a bunch of nazis That's probably the least appropriate analogy ever. > who believe that driving people out of their homes is god's work Israel is actually a surprisingly secular country. If you don't know the most basic things about a country, maybe you shouldn't go around calling them nazis and barbarians. There's a word for those kind of attitudes.

Good point. In fact, I may very well not know the most basic things about this country. But then how do you explain the colonization programme? The only explanation I've been able to figure out is some zionist idea of a right to a patch of land; some race-based sense of superiority. Why else bulldozer villages far across the border that was last determined in a treaty? These are horrible crimes, committed willingly b…

Wait, i write a nasty, unfriendly post and get many upvotes. Then I admit that the nasty unfriendly post might've been based on a lack of understanding and ask for someone to explain better, and I get downvoted? What's going on, HN?

EDIT: I'm editing this comment because HN won't allow me to respond to blvr's post. blvr, thanks for elaborating. I don't mean to sound hateful, and I'm willing to accept that I have it all wrong. But still, can you explain the colonization thing? Why do they do it? Note, this is not criticism: I'd really like to understand it better. It's been pointed out by many in this thread by now that I've been assuming things.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by kamaal »

confluence wrote: post #5

Holy shit! What the fuck are they doing? This is absolutely insane! What better way to create more terrorists than by laughing in their faces, publishing military operations on Twitter as if they were trivial events, showing military kill strikes on YouTube and using game like graphics stating their leaders have been "eliminated". Do you want to enrage your enemy into more violence or do you want to win? Do your mili…

>>Do you want to enrage your enemy into more violence or do you want to win?

Provoke your enemies to launch small time worthless rocket(Without much firepower or guidance system to cause organized damage) attacks at you. Use those attacks, now as a reason- Call it terrorism and then bomb them left right and center with F-16s and call it defending yourself.

I am not supporting anybody here. But this is a valid defense strategy in a war.

You can do anything in a war so as long you can justify it.

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