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An amateur historian's favorite books about the Silk Road

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Re: An amateur historian's favorite books about the Silk Road

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TFNA wrote: post #8
shrx wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I traveled some of the countries along the way last year, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan (by hiking and offroad vehicles). The landscape is beautiful, but be very prepared to survive in the scorching sun and dust in the desert for days without any option to resupply food and water. We met some solo cyclists along the way, I have great respect for those individuals. For example, this is how the main road looks like in some…

"be very prepared to survive in the scorching sun and dust in the desert for days without any option to resupply food and water" I have done Central Asia from Europe to China by bike twice, most recently 2024. Absolutely no problem with resupplying food and water daily. There are food stops and railway-worker infrastructure in the Kazakh and Uzbek deserts. And while Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan have a lot of wild mounta…

Ah great to hear :), thanks!

Did you do it solo or with someone or a group?

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Post by bwb »

qart wrote: post #9

The author of the first book listed there explains there was no ancient Silk Road. This concept was dreamt up in 1877. https://youtube.com/shorts/Ki4UQ20tWQk

ya, there were a bunch of trade routes along this path to all the different regions/cities. We just named the entire concept the "Silk Road" in the 1800s (it was coined in 1877 by Ferdinand von Richthofen).

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Post by defrost »

bwb wrote: post #10
defrost wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you like an epic trek, there's always horseback: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna20925119

Hah, I read his book, it is fantastic and worth a read -> https://www.amazon.com/Trail-Genghis-Khan-Journey-Through-eb... It also makes my butt hurt just to think about.

There's footage / DVD from his trip also - up on youtube some is, IIRC :-)

Yeah, sore bum, ouchies. That can be bypassed if you don't mind walking, don't mind camels, and don't mind being thought a bit girly:

* https://www.sidetracked.com/fieldjournal/crossing-australia-...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robyn_Davidson

Our family doesn't mind a long jolly, one of my favourites (that someone else did) was into the more restricted bits of Papua: Cannibals & Crampons (2001)

  In 2001, two British ex army officers set out to climb the unscaled face of Mandela--a remote mountain rising 15,400 ft. above the jungles of New Guinea. This is the extraordinary story of their trek through some of the world's most unexplored terrain.
* https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2142721/

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShIfMP8rfg0

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Post by paganel »

About this book: "Letters of Medieval Jewish Traders", and especially about this source of information:

> Shlomo Goitein used the documents that were serendipitously discovered in the geniza of the Cairo synagogue

I'm still waiting for a proper "inclusion" of their contents in the "main" historical discourse, it's a pity that there aren't much many historians going through them and using their contents. From the dedicated wiki page [1]:

> The Cairo Geniza, alternatively spelled the Cairo Genizah, is a collection of some 400,000[1] Jewish manuscript fragments and Fatimid administrative documents that were kept in the genizah or storeroom of the Ben Ezra Synagogue in Fustat or Old Cairo, Egypt. (...) comprise the largest and most diverse collection of medieval manuscripts in the world.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Geniza

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Post by Mainan_Tagonist »

Tim Severin is referenced in the list, so i would suggest as an addition Tracking Marco Polo by the very same author, a fun read indeed. From Goodreads: Tim Severin took up the challenge offered from antiquity by Marco Polo. Using the great explorer's journals as a route guide, Severin followed him all the way from Venice to Afghanistan - on a motorbike. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1735662.Tracking_Marco_P...

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Post by Mainan_Tagonist »

johngossman wrote: post #4

Good list. It does not include "Silk Roads" by Frankopan, which I agree with. That's a good read but much more a history of world trade (hence the plural) and strangely western-centric. I saw strangely because in the introduction Frankopan says he wanted to write a history from the point of view on central Asia, but its not that at all. Dalyrymple's "Golden Road" succeeds at Frankopan's objective and I found it much…

Yes, Frankopan's Silk Roads was a disappointment to say the least, I was really expecting an enlightening history of the middle east, starting from the early interrelations between the various civilisations (Egypt, Babylon, Harappan) and the progression through time (for example mentioning the Periplus of Roman adventurers into the far east). Good histories of China (Goldman/Fairbanks), and India (Keay) had whetted my appetite, and I think I'll need to read Dalrymple to be fully sated.

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Post by usrnm »

qart wrote: post #9

The author of the first book listed there explains there was no ancient Silk Road. This concept was dreamt up in 1877. https://youtube.com/shorts/Ki4UQ20tWQk

Just like there was no Bronze age, Middle Ages or Third World. It doesn't mean that we cannot use the terminology or that it's necessarily wrong, it's just limited and we need to understand the limits

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Post by PokemonNoGo »

usrnm wrote: post #17
qart wrote: post #9

The author of the first book listed there explains there was no ancient Silk Road. This concept was dreamt up in 1877. https://youtube.com/shorts/Ki4UQ20tWQk

Just like there was no Bronze age, Middle Ages or Third World. It doesn't mean that we cannot use the terminology or that it's necessarily wrong, it's just limited and we need to understand the limits

>Third world

Non-aligned countries didn't exist? Sorry I need some coffee and I'm feeling a little thick at the moment.

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