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Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by Robdel12 »

ClawsOnPaws wrote: post #35
Robdel12 wrote: post #15

> “When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI.” I just have to call out how much this impacted my mom’s life. She’s 100% blind and has access because of her iPhone and iPad. Yes she learned JAWSs and literally took classes to do it. Every single windows update has made it so she’d have to retake this class. The iOS updates a rocky but she isn’t literally hamstrung. My…

Blind person using Apple products here, and at least for phones, I agree. I wouldn't say it's exclusively because of iPhone, but a large part of my independence is definitely it. There have been problems, bugs that go unfixed for years, MacOS VoiceOver is quite a disaster even though I do still use and enjoy the platform overall, and anything worth using can be criticized I think. But iOS has so many features built i…

Excuse my language here but: I fucking love this! My mom pretty much mirrors your experience. I purposefully left out macOS and voiceover. I would almost call it unusable, sadly. The amount of key layering that voiceover and macOS in general has makes it very hard to use.

I’ve been hacking on a macOS app that leans on LLMs, vision use, and the AX macOS APIs to try and make voiceover less.. prickly haha. Hoping to visit in person soon to watch her use it :)

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by bombcar »

ubercore wrote: post #87
alexjplant wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lightning is a superior physical design to USB-C (can't speak to the electrical part). Much like every major tech battle in history, however [1], the worse solution won because of ubiquity. I'm not particularly thrilled because I've had a USB-C connector irretrievably break off in a port once on a laptop but I'll make that trade for being able to use a single cable for all of my devices. - Not an "Apple Faithful" [1]…

I've never had trouble with usb-c, but have had lightning connectors short out and burn one of the leads, or stop working from dust. Not sure I'd say one is better than the other, but individual experience can really vary on these kind of things. Tough to say one is clearly better imo.

My experience that lighting was by far the best - when everything lightning I had was made by Apple.

As things became available in the after-market quality began to vary.

My biggest issue with USB-C right now is I have some devices that need a really long "tongue" and I can't find a cable with such.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by bullfightonmars »

jshaqaw wrote: post #72

Cook was an able steward of Apple. Under his leadership the hardware side continued to iteratively improve nicely. Apple Silicon is good stuff. I am firmly embedded in the entire Apple ecosystem and have no reason to leave. I do wish Apple used some of its massive cash hoard and market power to do better in software. The iPad remains my favorite form factor to use in lots of my day but Apple never invested in killer…

You can't throw money at software and get better software on the other side, see Meta(verse). Better software requires focus, which may mean spending less money instead of more.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by tshaddox »

post-it wrote: post #97
benoau wrote: post #93

Tim Cook, 2014: > When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI Tim Cook, 2023: > Lawyers suggested Cook himself was involved with how the warning to App Store customers would appear, recommending an update to the text that appears when the external links were clicked. In one version, that link warned customers they were “no longer transacting with Apple.” Later, the link…

Could you clarify your intended meaning in placing these quotes side by side?

Seems like they're just mentioning one action from Tim Cook take they personally didn't approve of.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by apparatur »

tshaddox wrote: post #114
post-it wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you clarify your intended meaning in placing these quotes side by side?

Seems like they're just mentioning one action from Tim Cook take they personally didn't approve of.

By "one action" you mean the systematic war against 3rd party app stores and payments in the EU and elsewhere? By actions like this they made them so unappealing they basically destroyed any chance of success. Very anti-competitive and nasty behaviour, I think.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by throwaway894345 »

ClawsOnPaws wrote: post #35
Robdel12 wrote: post #15

> “When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI.” I just have to call out how much this impacted my mom’s life. She’s 100% blind and has access because of her iPhone and iPad. Yes she learned JAWSs and literally took classes to do it. Every single windows update has made it so she’d have to retake this class. The iOS updates a rocky but she isn’t literally hamstrung. My…

Blind person using Apple products here, and at least for phones, I agree. I wouldn't say it's exclusively because of iPhone, but a large part of my independence is definitely it. There have been problems, bugs that go unfixed for years, MacOS VoiceOver is quite a disaster even though I do still use and enjoy the platform overall, and anything worth using can be criticized I think. But iOS has so many features built i…

> bugs that go unfixed for years

For what it's worth, text selection has been badly broken on iOS for at least a decade and autocorrect has been steadily getting worse for probably the same amount of time, and these are features that affect the mainstream segment of Apple users on a daily basis. Apple seems generally happy to let bugs go unaddressed for years and years regardless of how many people they affect or how often.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by tshaddox »

apparatur wrote: post #115
tshaddox wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like they're just mentioning one action from Tim Cook take they personally didn't approve of.

By "one action" you mean the systematic war against 3rd party app stores and payments in the EU and elsewhere? By actions like this they made them so unappealing they basically destroyed any chance of success. Very anti-competitive and nasty behaviour, I think.

That's a perfectly reasonable opinion for you to have.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by zug_zug »

INTPenis wrote: post #59

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I agree that I have no idea why people read this guy... Like in a "I must be genuinely out of the loop" type way. I feel like it's really romanticizing or fanboying.

Like I enjoy my apple products, and I'm sure glad Apple wasn't run by a psycho like Musk, and didn't put Ads in the OS like Microsoft. But I don't think any of this is heroic or anything. Like if anybody's a hero it's probably the open-source guys who do it for no money at all.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by m3kw9 »

Robdel12 wrote: post #15

> “When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI.” I just have to call out how much this impacted my mom’s life. She’s 100% blind and has access because of her iPhone and iPad. Yes she learned JAWSs and literally took classes to do it. Every single windows update has made it so she’d have to retake this class. The iOS updates a rocky but she isn’t literally hamstrung. My…

Just an aside, it's a ton of work to make accessibility work on anything other than the most native looking apps, as different settings will move the UI unexpectedly and creates a lot of issues to be taken care of because of the screen size and different layouts.

The screen speak for example, sometimes you have to manually make sure they speak in the right order because of UI elements are placed non-standard way like if you have a label as name, and one as phone number side by side, the speak may start going down vertically, and you have to fix it by grouping it or force it speak it manually. Small example.

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