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Re: SpaceX says it has agreement to acquire Cursor for $60B

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What's crazy is that a company that sells an IDE (that's not even a particularly good one compared to competitors like JetBrains) integrating some AI plugins could be worth more than $60B...

General Motors is worth $72B.

That feels more like a reflection of how terrible most GM cars are than about the inflated valuation of Cursor, which is what I infer you were trying to imply.

Re: SpaceX says it has agreement to acquire Cursor for $60B

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Guess I'll be looking for a replacement for Cursor now... Anyone have recommendations? I like the plan/agent mode and the fact that it's an IDE, so I can use it in the traditional way as well as by yapping with a bunch of agents. Also the Cursor rules I've curated and they do their job well.

Yep this was the moment to finally remember to cancel my cursor subscription. I find it unconscionable to do business with someone who would do business with Elon.

You don't use any companies with a Twitter/X account? That must be tricky.

Re: SpaceX says it has agreement to acquire Cursor for $60B

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Is that so or would those 10B be discounted from the purchase? not that it isn't wild regardless

I'm not sure what you're referring to by "that" but I think you're right that it's 10B to not purchase or 60B to purchase, so as an option posting $10B for an option with a $50 strike price.

have concrete terms been published or is that an educated guess of the contract?

Re: SpaceX says it has agreement to acquire Cursor for $60B

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I certainly wouldn't mind having that image if it meant being the wealthiest man in the world.

Sounds like playful comments people do about nymphomaniacs. Sure nobody would mind being the wealthiest man in the world without the downsides. Look at the guy. He's not just clueless, he's actually totally lost. Do you know how many kids he has and how many broke all contact with him, the wealthiest man in the World? Does this look like an enviable situation?

As far as I know of his fourteen children only one has broken contact.

Re: SpaceX says it has agreement to acquire Cursor for $60B

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They are now a Codex clone and without the subscription pricing. You have to spend thousands to get what you get from a $200 Codex subscription. How do they compete with this except from users who haven't caught on yet, or businesses that are unbothered to spend thousands a month per dev and wouldn't consider just subscribing to 1-3 $200 subscriptions instead? And their price is so high because it's markup on API rat…

API rates on local models are quite cheap, and you can even run them locally. Yes, the hardware for doing so at speed is expensive, but people used to drop the equivalent of what would be $50k or $100k today on an individual workstation for full-time use. It's justified if the productivity gain is strong enough.

But that’s not competitive. The only reason to do that is out of need for privacy. Which is critical for some. The tradeoff is that the models are relatively bad. I don’t see how Cursor can win from this use case especially if to get the privacy benefit you need to spend a huge amount. You can already run Codex for free with local models too.

Re: SpaceX says it has agreement to acquire Cursor for $60B

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> users who haven't caught on yet They are catching up fast! https://www.businessinsider.com/chamath-palihapitiya-ai-cost...

Tellingly, from his full post: "Mostly because I do not yet see an equivalent uptick in productivity or revenue..." https://x.com/chamath/status/2029634071966666964 I suspect that as the value a company provides is more than its code, then increasing code churn does not lead to an equivalent increase in revenue. Even for a tech company, a business' concept, connections, knowledge, assets, non-coding staff, etc.. are…

Codex is coming for those non coding use cases too. Is Cursor?

Re: SpaceX says it has agreement to acquire Cursor for $60B

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They are now a Codex clone and without the subscription pricing. You have to spend thousands to get what you get from a $200 Codex subscription. How do they compete with this except from users who haven't caught on yet, or businesses that are unbothered to spend thousands a month per dev and wouldn't consider just subscribing to 1-3 $200 subscriptions instead? And their price is so high because it's markup on API rat…

API rates are the real rates. Subscription costs are the "first hit is free" subsidized pricing.

They’re not the “real rates”, they’re the rates that are being charged for API use. API reportedly has a margin of profit

You also neglect that products like Cursor run on two margins, their own plus the API provider’s. That’s always going to come at a premium

Re: SpaceX says it has agreement to acquire Cursor for $60B

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knee-jerk is that it's weird, but makes sense: * X will have a total of ~2GW of GPU sometime this year largely not doing much outside of 'grok is this true' * despite no longer being in vogue with consumer devs Cursor still has a lot of developer data that can assist in building a model * Cursor have decent enterprise relationships (while for xAI it is ~zero) and that's where the real revenue for llms + agents is * C…

> largely not doing much outside of 'grok is this true' Hey now, don't forget about it's super important other use, taking innocent photos of people and regenerating them in less clothing and compromising positions. I'm sad that I even know that.

Photoshop has been able to do that for 25 years. Do people realize that AI doesn’t magically know what their real bodies look like? AI is just pasting the averaged body parts from every porn image on top of what you were wearing. I know people love to be offended, but it’s weird to me that they’ve made up a right to not have someone privately mess with an image that has your face in it.

Maybe if this tech were completely secret and this was 1997, so a video of a naked Bill Clinton high-fiving Saddam Hussein in a hot tub was likely to shock the world, then it would be a big deal. But everyone knows all images (and especially surprising ones) are likely to be AI, I’m asking sincerely, does it really matter if people make fake photos for wanking purposes?

Re: SpaceX says it has agreement to acquire Cursor for $60B

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What's crazy is that a company that sells an IDE (that's not even a particularly good one compared to competitors like JetBrains) integrating some AI plugins could be worth more than $60B...

In terms of IDE yeah it is not that great. I do have Copilot in VSCode and Cursor. I thought both should be equal in solving problems - turns out Cursor with the same model selected somehow was able to solve tasks that Copilot would get stuck or run in loops. They have some tricks on managing file access that others don’t.

>They have some tricks on managing file access that others don’t.

I thought it was a Windows thing. My Windows work computer is so heavily managed and monitored I assumed that was why Copilot stops being able to get terminal output or find the file I'm looking at. It's the same problem in IntelliJ and VSCode, with different models trying to find things in different ways.

Now that I think of it though, I've only used Copilot at work. At home I use Debian but I've never tried using Copilot. Claude, OpenCode, Gemini, and IntelliJ's AI Chat pointed at local Ollama models never have issues finding files or reading files and terminal output.

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