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Our eighth generation TPUs: two chips for the agentic era

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Re: Our eighth generation TPUs: two chips for the agentic era

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As others have been capturing news cycle eyes, seems to me Google has been going from strength to strength quietly in the background capturing consumer market share and without much (any?) infrastructure problems considering they're so vertically integrated in AI since day one? At one point they even seemed like a lost cause, but they're like a tide.. just growing all around.

> seems to me Google has been going from strength to strength quietly in the background capturing consumer market share and without much (any?) infrastructure problems considering they're so vertically integrated in AI since day one?

The Google Antigravity subreddit is a shitshow though:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GoogleAntigravityIDE/

Re: Our eighth generation TPUs: two chips for the agentic era

#93

I already felt that gemini 3 proved what is possible if you train a model for efficiency. If I had to guess the pro and flash variants are 5x to 10x smaller than opus and gpt-5 class models. They produce drastically lower amount of tokens to solve a problem, but they haven't seem to have put enough effort into refinining their reasoning and execution as they produce broken toolcalls and generally struggle with 'agent…

> They produce drastically lower amount of tokens to solve a problem, but they haven't seem to have put enough effort into refinining their reasoning and execution as they produce broken toolcalls and generally struggle with 'agentic' tasks, but for raw problem solving without tools or search they match opus and gpt while presumably being a fraction of the size. Agreed, Gemini-cli is terrible compared to CC and even…

also, for incorporating into gsuite, youtube, maps, gcp and their other winning apps and behind-the-scenes infra...

Re: Our eighth generation TPUs: two chips for the agentic era

#94
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I think there will be a time in a few years (1-2?) when both Google and Apple will get to eat their cake. They aren't playing the same game of speed running unpolished product releases every month to double their valuation. They have time to think and observe and put out something really polished. At least that's the hope! :)

That's because these mega monopolies have diverse income streams and have grown like cancers to tax every system and economy that touches the internet. Anthropic and OpenAI are having to fight like hell to secure market share. Google just gets to sit back and relax with its browser and android monopolies. Why did our regulators fall asleep at the wheel? Google owns 92% of "URL bar" surface area and turned it into a G…

If by fight like hell you mean hype like hell, then yeah.

Sam Altman's honesty problems, and Elon buying a VS code fork for $60 billion isn't a sign of moral uprightness or wisdom.

There's a lot to be said for grinding away at a problem. Being on your eighth generation AI chip and seventh generation of autonomous driving hardware is how you build value. Not by hobnobbing with fascists and building an army of stock pumping retail investors.

Re: Our eighth generation TPUs: two chips for the agentic era

#95
post #4

As others have been capturing news cycle eyes, seems to me Google has been going from strength to strength quietly in the background capturing consumer market share and without much (any?) infrastructure problems considering they're so vertically integrated in AI since day one? At one point they even seemed like a lost cause, but they're like a tide.. just growing all around.

Yeah I think there will be a time in a few years (1-2?) when both Google and Apple will get to eat their cake. They aren't playing the same game of speed running unpolished product releases every month to double their valuation. They have time to think and observe and put out something really polished. At least that's the hope! :)

> put out something really polished

Like Apple Intelligence? Which was quite crap

Re: Our eighth generation TPUs: two chips for the agentic era

#96

I already felt that gemini 3 proved what is possible if you train a model for efficiency. If I had to guess the pro and flash variants are 5x to 10x smaller than opus and gpt-5 class models. They produce drastically lower amount of tokens to solve a problem, but they haven't seem to have put enough effort into refinining their reasoning and execution as they produce broken toolcalls and generally struggle with 'agent…

> They produce drastically lower amount of tokens to solve a problem, but they haven't seem to have put enough effort into refinining their reasoning and execution as they produce broken toolcalls and generally struggle with 'agentic' tasks, but for raw problem solving without tools or search they match opus and gpt while presumably being a fraction of the size. Agreed, Gemini-cli is terrible compared to CC and even…

> Agreed, Gemini-cli is terrible compared to CC and even Codex.

Using it with opencode I don't find the actual model to cause worse results with tool calling versus Opus/GPT. This could be a harness problem more than a model problem?

I do prefer the overall results with GPT 5.4, which seems to catch more bugs in reviews that Gemini misses and produce cleaner code overall.

(And no, I can't quantify any of that, just "vibes" based)

Re: Our eighth generation TPUs: two chips for the agentic era

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> A single TPU 8t superpod now scales to 9,600 chips and two petabytes of shared high bandwidth memory, with double the interchip bandwidth of the previous generation. This architecture delivers 121 ExaFlops of compute and allows the most complex models to leverage a single, massive pool of memory. This seems impressive. I don't know much about the space, so maybe it's not actually that great, but from my POV it look…

it is. itll still not create AGI without some breakthrough in instruction vs data separation of concerns

You can park a lot there. No offence but I love how AGI doesn't mean anything. It used to be that AI was a goal post. Now it is AGI. We could use characters from sci-fi culture to describe milestones. In order to achieve robocop level, we must solve the instruction vs data problem.

Re: Our eighth generation TPUs: two chips for the agentic era

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I already felt that gemini 3 proved what is possible if you train a model for efficiency. If I had to guess the pro and flash variants are 5x to 10x smaller than opus and gpt-5 class models. They produce drastically lower amount of tokens to solve a problem, but they haven't seem to have put enough effort into refinining their reasoning and execution as they produce broken toolcalls and generally struggle with 'agent…

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Is your friend on the JAX team?

Re: Our eighth generation TPUs: two chips for the agentic era

#100
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google invented the AI architecture that Anthropic and OpenAI based their entire companies on? Based off years of research at Google. Of course they should have to fight with the inventors of the technology they’re using.

> Google invented the AI architecture that Anthropic and OpenAI based their entire companies on Source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Is_All_You_Need
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