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FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by buran77 »

poulpy123 wrote: post #97

11 disappearances over 4 years and 4 states : - 1 rocket scientist lost while hiking - 1 astrophysicist killed at home by someone arrested a few months before at his home with a gun - 1 physicist in another field killed without cause of death made public - 1 engineer in instrumentation killed also without the cause made public - 1 schizophrenic crank woman died by suicide - 1 plasma and nuclear scientist killed at ho…

The three companies mentioned have together maybe up to 50k employees (quick internet search, don't quote me on that). 11 of them (various roles, some out of the game for years) dying or going missing over many years in a country with a pretty high criminality and suicide rates rates doesn't sound very surprising.

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by Zigurd »

nickandbro wrote: post #19

A lot of people are saying it’s disconnected, but even if it was, if a string of your country’s top rocket experts started disappearing, you wouldn’t just sit idly by

The problem is that a lot of people not idly sitting by are UFO enthusiasts. They've done their own research.

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

buran77 wrote: post #111
poulpy123 wrote: post #97

11 disappearances over 4 years and 4 states : - 1 rocket scientist lost while hiking - 1 astrophysicist killed at home by someone arrested a few months before at his home with a gun - 1 physicist in another field killed without cause of death made public - 1 engineer in instrumentation killed also without the cause made public - 1 schizophrenic crank woman died by suicide - 1 plasma and nuclear scientist killed at ho…

The three companies mentioned have together maybe up to 50k employees (quick internet search, don't quote me on that). 11 of them (various roles, some out of the game for years) dying or going missing over many years in a country with a pretty high criminality and suicide rates rates doesn't sound very surprising.

They’re also some of the most strategically valuable companies if you are say an evil country that wants to build long range nuclear missiles or advance your space programme.

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by greedo »

trhway wrote: post #62
b112 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have to be China or Russia. As others have mentioned, the current political climate in the US is... "weird". At least, as an outsider, I just don't know how else to describe it. It's like watching/listening to gibberish. So I can imagine American allies recruiting scientists en-mass, to protect themselves from America. The US has currently demonstrated a desire to take over allies completely (Canada, Green…

>to protect themselves from America. not necessarily from America. The goal #1 of the US dominated NATO for example was to prevent Germany from getting nuclear weapons in exchange for protection by US. Now with US de-facto withdrawing, Germany would have to quickly get nukes (as well as missiles to carry them) - i don't see other option for Germany here giving the environment in Europe and MidEast. So they would also…

Keeping the FRG from getting nukes wasn't part of NATO strategy. The succinct reason for NATO was to keep the Soviets from marching to the Atlantic. The more pragmatic was expressed as "Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down."

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by thisisit »

nickandbro wrote: post #19

A lot of people are saying it’s disconnected, but even if it was, if a string of your country’s top rocket experts started disappearing, you wouldn’t just sit idly by

> if a string of your country’s top rocket experts started disappearing, you wouldn’t just sit idly by

The "if" is doing the heavy lifting here. And universe has lot of "ifs". Here's one:

If this was a perfect distraction spun up to distract from Epstein files, it has succeeded and you have been had.

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by [deleted] »

wmf wrote: post #9

I don't have the link but someone estimated the number of scientists working in the defense field (it's a lot) and the number of deaths per year you'd expect (over 100). There's probably nothing here. It probably doesn't hurt to have the FBI take a second look at any death of somebody who has a security clearance or is working on export-controlled tech, but OTOH that might be a lot of work.

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Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by tasuki »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #89
King-Aaron wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amy Eskridge - who publicly stated she was not suicidal before "committing suicide" reported to her friends that she received burns to her arms and hands through her window in an attack that sounded similar to this microwave/havana syndrome stuff. She was very vocal about the fact that she was being harassed over her work before she died.

> Amy Eskridge - who publicly stated she was not suicidal before "committing suicide" I really hate the discourse around this stuff. Like, yes, disguising murder as suicide is a thing and obviously three-letters agencies do it. But someone saying publicly they're not suicidal gives you close to zero information. People with suicidal ideation almost never advertise it publicly because, one, there is a heavy amount of…

It's respectful to trust someone who says they're not suicidal. Saying "they could've been suicidal anyway" is disrespectful to people who aren't suicidal and are telling the truth.

If someone is struggling with suicidal thoughts and is publicly lying about it, they shall not have my respect anyway: I'm ok with being disrespectful to them.

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by Bombthecat »

Cytobit wrote: post #80
pj_mukh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be nothing, or could be a new Havana Syndrome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome What's sad is, 5-10 years ago, no adversary would think simply off-ing American scientists was effective strategy, America was a new scientist generation machine . Now thanks to Research funding falling off a cliff and massive immigration restrictions, this is no longer true.

So it could be nothing or it could be nothing?

Or it could be something

X-Files music plays

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by thatguy0900 »

blks wrote: post #90
King-Aaron wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amy Eskridge - who publicly stated she was not suicidal before "committing suicide" reported to her friends that she received burns to her arms and hands through her window in an attack that sounded similar to this microwave/havana syndrome stuff. She was very vocal about the fact that she was being harassed over her work before she died.

She is also not a scientists, but some weird grifter with her “Institute of Exotic Science” and “antigravity” paper.

Sounds like the exact person we should be concerned about getting hit with scifi weapons to be honest
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