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Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by Hikikomori »

spwa4 wrote: post #68
defrost wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In this conflict the US is defending, let's call it "international liberalism" (in the French revolution sense, ie. laissez-faire), or what the UN calls "freedom of navigation". Utter nonsense - the majority of the world is well aware the Strait was open and free to navigate all the way up to the point the US stepped in. The country directly responsible for the current lack of freedom to navigate is the US.

Of course not. https://www.reuters.com/article/world/timeline-irans-recent-... https://www.reuters.com/article/world/britain-says-iran-seiz... https://www.reuters.com/world/us-navy-says-iran-seized-marsh... https://www.reuters.com/world/second-oil-tanker-week-seized-... By the way, I'm not going to provide references, but the same goes for the Bab El-Mandeb strait and the "East Coast of Africa" (in other words Iran i…

What might the reason be? Oh it's the first sentence.

>Tensions between Iran and the West have escalated since U.S. sanctions on Iranian oil exports took full effect in May and British naval forces seized an Iranian supertanker.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by Hikikomori »

sillystuff wrote: post #59
fwipsy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the passive voice is meant to protect the perpetrators. Instead, they are presenting sexual assault as a deliberate tactic or policy, or at least a common pattern. If true, this is a much bigger story than isolated incidents of violence. But sixteen reported cases over three years seems very low. Likely there are more cases they missed. Mainly it seems like they have very little data.

The passive voice and dishonest language is often used by British and US corporate and state media when describing atrocities committed by Israeli Jews. "Some Palestinians are dead." Implying, "They seem to have just died. Nobody knows what happened." To describe the countless massacres of Palestinians by Israeli Jews E.g., the BBC reported an IDF soldier, in uniform, who was captured as a prisoner of war as, "A youn…

See it in EU news as well. They're essentially free PR for IDF.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by anal_reactor »

thot_experiment wrote: post #88
anal_reactor wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically all powerful countries cause problems for other countries. Not exactly a resolutionary thing. Don't forget China, Japan, Mongolia, Romans, all sorts of infighting between native American groups before Columbus. And I assume that Africa wasn't exactly a paradise even before colonialism.

Yes, history happened and people should be held to account for it, not ad infinitum, but you know, if my dad killed your dad and took all his shit, and then left it to me, I'm pretty sure I shouldn't get to keep it and all the benefits that come from it just because I had nothing to do with it.

Dad? Sure. Grandfather? Maybe. Great-grandfather? Let it go.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by camgunz »

This is absurdly one-sided. The "report" is just a summary of internet articles, two of which are from The Guardian itself, which makes this some weird content laundering situation. It also--obviously on purpose--leaves out IDF's response to the incident at Wadi-as-Seeq: "'After the initial investigation, a decision was made to dismiss the commander of the unit that carried out the arrest. Due to the seriousness of the suspicions, it was decided to open a Military Police investigation,' the army said." Sounds like that guy is in deep shit!

I'm so tired of this garbage. The Guardian had to have read this Times of Israel article because the details it reports (ex: the date) aren't included in the report, but they leave out the part where the commander is under investigation by the Military Police? What a joke.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by [deleted] »

watwut wrote: post #99
gostsamo wrote: post #16

The christian supporters of Israel can also think a bit about the itf soldiers destroying a statue of Jesus in Lebanon if they want to understand what they are supporting. Useful idiots doesn't even start to describe it. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd575n1znzo

I kinda feel like from all the things going on ... breaking statue is the least of the things. Like, who cares.

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Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by hackable_sand »

thot_experiment wrote: post #35
Allfodr wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I don't think US tax money should go toward reparations for Palestine, Lebanon, Iran or anywhere else. We're not 'complicit' in the way you're framing it

The only reason Israel is able to commit the horrors they are is because they can fuck around without finding out due to US protection paid for by our tax dollars, we are absolutely complicit. Of course that's only in the immediate term, I urge you to look at the history of the region even a little critically, so much of the conflict there is rooted in British, American and Israeli meddling, it's an insane take to cl…

America intentionally bombed schoolchildren

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by proshno »

This is not something new. israel has been doing this since Nakba and it’s well recorded even by the israeli historians and academics around the world. Their atrocities against humanity were just not allowed to be exposed by the Epstein class.

Here are some more studies and reports on this topic, in case anyone interested to know the extent of israeli sexual violence against Palestinians:

1. https://israelpalestinenews.org/israeli-torture-core-element... “ israel’s widespread use of torture is a core element of its genocide against the Palestinian people”

2. https://youtu.be/KjAmlit0yzY “israel’s history of sexual assaults on Palestinian women”

3. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/372963626_Beyond_Ma... “ Beyond Male Israeli Soldiers, Palestinian Women, Rape, and War: israeli State Sexual Violence against Palestinians”

4. https://thejerusalemfund.org/2018/08/sexual-harassment-and-v... “ Sexual Harassment and Violence against Palestinian Women in israeli Prisons”

5. https://zeteo.com/p/palestinian-women-raped-by-israeli “ Palestinian Women 'Raped by israeli Soldiers.' Silence From Western Media”

6. https://www.academia.edu/43471289/Israeli_Settler_Colonialis... “ israeli Settler Colonialism in Context: Celebrating (Palestinian) Death and Normalizing Gender and Sexual Violence”

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by gostsamo »

watwut wrote: post #99
gostsamo wrote: post #16

The christian supporters of Israel can also think a bit about the itf soldiers destroying a statue of Jesus in Lebanon if they want to understand what they are supporting. Useful idiots doesn't even start to describe it. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd575n1znzo

I kinda feel like from all the things going on ... breaking statue is the least of the things. Like, who cares.

The evangelists in the US support Israel imagining that there is a special relationship between christians and jews. Many jews in Israel seem to find this useful and try not to contradict them while remaining hateful fanatics at heart. Stories like this one show a glimps at what is going on and therefore are worth pointing out when surfacing. They frame the murders, and sexual assaults, and destruction as the ethnic cleansing fueled by greed and hate toward anyone else that it is.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by AlecSchueler »

anal_reactor wrote: post #103
thot_experiment wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, history happened and people should be held to account for it, not ad infinitum, but you know, if my dad killed your dad and took all his shit, and then left it to me, I'm pretty sure I shouldn't get to keep it and all the benefits that come from it just because I had nothing to do with it.

Dad? Sure. Grandfather? Maybe. Great-grandfather? Let it go.

And how do you map that onto the timescales of states? Because even on the human scale, my grandparents were around for the British Mandate in Palestine. The British government had to win my own lifetime apologise for atrocities carried out in Northern Ireland.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by spwa4 »

Hikikomori wrote: post #101
spwa4 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not. https://www.reuters.com/article/world/timeline-irans-recent-... https://www.reuters.com/article/world/britain-says-iran-seiz... https://www.reuters.com/world/us-navy-says-iran-seized-marsh... https://www.reuters.com/world/second-oil-tanker-week-seized-... By the way, I'm not going to provide references, but the same goes for the Bab El-Mandeb strait and the "East Coast of Africa" (in other words Iran i…

What might the reason be? Oh it's the first sentence. >Tensions between Iran and the West have escalated since U.S. sanctions on Iranian oil exports took full effect in May and British naval forces seized an Iranian supertanker.

Yeah what that doesn't say is of course that those tensions have escalated from "critical" to "critical-and-also-FUCK-you". But as I pointed out in the post you're replying, seizing vessels by either party is not something new. That's been happening for decades. What's new is that China used to get a free pass, and this was a ship going between Iran and China (the US has even hinted it was delivering weapons to Iran, which China explicitly agreed not to do, of course they've also been caught providing targeting information to Iran)

And I get their position: realistically Iran has much less weapons now than they had 3 weeks ago. The US has more weapons now than in the 12 days of war, and the Hormuz blocking ... doesn't matter at all for US combat power. Same for Israel. So Iran must be desperate. They're, let's call it "mostly, but not yet totally out of options". And the US + Israel should be at close to double their previous strength. The Iranian population hates both the Iranian government and their fighting force, so you can bet your firstborn Israel is receiving targeting information from inside Iran without even trying, with the exact location of every IRGC commander, every government official, half of it from their own mothers. The previous exchange was a disaster for the IRGC. They fired at least 10000 rockets plus drones. They actually hit 3 targets. Anyone the least bit higher up in the IRGC is terrified.

The previous kinetic exchange wasn't even using 2% of US combat power, now it looks like they're ready to double that. The US has been delivering weapons non-stop to middle eastern bases since before the ceasefire started, if you calculate it out it would have been about 800 tons per day, 13 days now, so let's round it to 10000 tons by the time the ceasefire ends.

But in general Iran has never been at peace since it's current rulers came to power, frankly, with anyone. Until their war with Israel they got away with literally everything by using proxy forces. Literally before the first month was over they were at war with Iraq, because they were doing back then what they are doing now: organizing militias in Iraq.

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