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Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by serf »

skeledrew wrote: post #376
inetknght wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solution: don't A/B test your users. A/B testing people without their informed consent is immoral, unethical, and should be illegal.

To play devil's advocate, without A/B testing a lot of decisions would be made with insufficient relevant data, and lead to subpar results that affect the many negatively form the road.

counter-point : the companies that are most famous for A/B testing routinely are also the ones with the most notoriously non-existent customer service departments globally, facebook/google/amazon/ebay. Groups that harbor dissatisfied customers by essentially being 'the only show in town.'.

so, what i'm saying is : I think a lot of companies align themselves with the cash first and then measure whether or not the negative image/user impact is manageable .

(in fact I know they operate this way.)

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by inetknght »

pitched wrote: post #395
inetknght wrote: post #381

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> Depends entirely on the stakes and whether personal data is involved Sure. Let me just A/B test whether or not you'll respond positively or negatively to having your news delivered via push notification or delayed by 10 minutes. I'm sure you would appreciate being tested on without your consent, just so that I can make an extra quick buck at your expense. Nothing amoral or unethical about it.

What do you think about slow rollouts for new features? Like, we think this new push notification system will be loved but let’s ship to only 1% of users in case there’s a horrible unforeseen consequence like occasional 10min delays? Dashboard goes upside down -> revert then work through logs to figure out what the hell went wrong.

What do you think of things you purchased changing over time into something you didn't purchase?

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by lifis »

SwellJoe wrote: post #192

Why would you even want a Claude subscription if not for Claude Code? Anthropic is obviously the best for programming, but probably nowhere else. Seems like a good way to onboard people to the Claude Code experience...everyone who's working seriously with it needs Opus, anyway. But, maybe that's the rub, if the Pro plan includes no Opus usage (which I think has always been the case), you might have a worse impression…

On LMArena, Claude Opus is ranked as the best at everything except image and video generation, which it does not support. That may be inaccurate, but it's plausible

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by theptip »

simonw wrote: post #270
rideontime wrote: post #209

Anthropic’s “Head of Growth” claims this is a “test”: https://x.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/2046724659039932830 This does not explain the changes to documentation.

They later said: https://twitter.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/204672549859272297... > When we do land on something, if it affects existing subscribers you'll get plenty of notice before anything changes. Will hear it from us, not a screenshot on X or Reddit. If you don't want things like this spreading through screenshots of X and Reddit, don't run "tests" like this in the first place! (Also "if it affects existing subs…

It’s pretty reasonable to say “demand is way up, quality is up, supply is constrained, and so price needs to rise”.

It seems weird to segment this way though. Surely it’s better to just give Sonnet to your bottom tier, rather than cut out the entire Claide Code product entirely?

Give folks a taste rather than lock the whole product behind a $100/mo plan.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by dodobirdlord »

Esophagus4 wrote: post #414
techblueberry wrote: post #278

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Presumably they want to lose existing subscribers because it’s way too expensive to keep them at $20.

Is it? I’m curious because I thought they were raising prices to pay for exorbitant training costs, not because subscribers are expensive on a unit basis. I thought inference was cheap so there was little marginal cost of a new subscriber.

This was more or less true until everyone and their dog started running agents in a 24/7 busyloop as a bit.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by jsLavaGoat »

anakaine wrote: post #342
kelsey98765431 wrote: post #323

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I just cancelled before seeing this news. i was already pissed about constantly hitting limits on the 20 a month plan and looking for alternatives and this seals the deal. Bye bye!

I just paid for Pro for the first time 24 hours ago. Its been great, but the limits are crazy. It's nice not dealing with ChatGPTs sycophantic gaslighting, and not having random bugs. That said, I seem to be caught in that 2% test if I open in a private tab. What nonsense. I wouldn't be paying for Claude if it wasn't for its quality abilities, which necessarily includes Claude Code.

I can easily hit the weekly limit on Claude even on the $200 plan. I have yet to ever hit a rate limit on Codex $100. And the results are almost as good. And don't get me started on Anthropic's extra usage scam.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by solenoid0937 »

trueno wrote: post #337
abtinf wrote: post #304

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That tweet only makes things worse. On top of all their other nonsense recently, it actually convinced me to cancel my subscription. I can't trust Anthropic to manage their products in a way that supports my workflow.

pretty much none of these big providers are offering the guarantees needed to be taken seriously in workplaces right now. the technology itself isn't offering the deterministic guarantees that should warrant it in the workplace right now. problem is everyone's foot is just on the gas. even if your workplace isnt paying for it, people are just straight up rolling their own personal claude accounts to do work at orgs.…

Anthropic is absolutely taken seriously in workplaces, what are you even talking about?

No serious business uses Pro or Max, they are all on Anthropic API billing.

In fact with this move it is plainly obvious that Anthropic is moving compute from prosumers towards enterprise.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by solenoid0937 »

thousand_nights wrote: post #373
ramesh31 wrote: post #328

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>"his title should be changed to Head of Corporate Bullshitting" They're hitting the physical limits of energy production and chip supply for inference capacity. There's literally nothing that can be done but reduce usage to spread it around for now.

there's nothing stopping them from saying that, which is my point which you missed

why do they need to say it? It's obvious

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by manoDev »

Yizahi wrote: post #147
robertkarl wrote: post #44

I don't think I've ever been on such a rollercoaster with a company's reputation in the developer space. I started in January on the $20 plan, essentially my first agentic AI programming. I quickly started hitting limits developing several apps at the same time. I went up to the $200 plan after seeing the value. After seeing my own issues with 4.6 and the mega-post on Github about declining metrics in a decent datase…

LLM monsters are deeply unprofitable, going by the industry hearsay (which is the only thing we have, given ultra secrecy of the LLM corporations). The only two LLM companies which disclosed their finances without lies, were two Chinese corporations and they, unsurprisingly, were deeply in red. Remember the old saying about boiling a frog? LLM corporations need to make most of their users pay hundreds per month, asap…

Their price point goal is a SWE salary.
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