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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by colechristensen »

Esophagus4 wrote: post #370
colechristensen wrote: post #193

I assume this has to do with the $20 tier now running out of provisioned tokens so quickly as to be not particularly useful, giving users a bad experience. The million token context + reduced caching period + new models using more tokens made this a probably unpopular but perhaps unavoidable development. There's a hard problem here balancing costs and experience. I'm afraid despite the bad experience for people that…

> $20/month was just too big a loss to sustain. Is there any marginal cost associated with a new subscriber? I have always heard inference is cheap and the cost was in training, so I assumed any subscriber was making them money, just not enough to cover their insane fixed costs. But I am just guessing.

There are two extremes, the "approx 0 marginal cost" camp and the "anthropic losing $5000/mo on every Max subscriber" camp.

I strongly suspect both are wrong.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by Esophagus4 »

epenn wrote: post #281
rideontime wrote: post #209

Anthropic’s “Head of Growth” claims this is a “test”: https://x.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/2046724659039932830 This does not explain the changes to documentation.

Hopefully the negative responses in that thread + the conversation here on HN might help them realize that totally removing Code access for Pro users isn't a good look. And with no free trial period on top of that, nobody is going to want to pay $100+ just to check it out. I can't imagine the conversion rate of that test being positive.

A few enterprise customers I know are upgrading to the higher plan now that their limits have been nuked.

I imagine Anthropic is trying to see how many users they can push to higher tiers with these new squeezes.

I hate to say it but I imagine it will work.

It’s going to suck for me, because I had gotten used to ridiculously cheap tokens, but I guess the era of subsidized tokens is over.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by shepherdjerred »

kivle wrote: post #224
redrix wrote: post #184

Next they’ll slowly reduce how much CC usage you can get out of the $100 Max plan, then introduce a new $300 “Max Plus” plan with “40x” usage. “You asked, and we listened: Introducing Max Plus, our biggest plan yet, designed for those…” blah blah

They already effectively halved it with the introduction of Opus 4.7 and the new tokenizer that basically gives you about half as much usage for the same price.. Convenient to price based on tokens, and leave what a token is a moving target..

Source?

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by Esophagus4 »

techblueberry wrote: post #278
sriku wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This test would be a good way to lose existing subscribers perhaps.

Presumably they want to lose existing subscribers because it’s way too expensive to keep them at $20.

Is it? I’m curious because I thought they were raising prices to pay for exorbitant training costs, not because subscribers are expensive on a unit basis.

I thought inference was cheap so there was little marginal cost of a new subscriber.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by adriand »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #303
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is honestly truly fucking incredible how corps still find new, innovative ways to enshittify. Regular enshittification won't cut it, they have to exercise their artistic creativity. Who the fuck comes up with the idea that what services you get with your subscription are random ? It's mind-boggling that some percentage of people visiting the website will be presented with an inferior version of the same subscripti…

I think of enshittification as "we're making plenty of money but let's make more." In other words greed. Based on how much money Zitron has reported that these companies are losing on every subscription, this feels more like they're just trying to survive. In other words "ohshittification."

> In other words "ohshittification."

Brilliant coinage, if it’s yours, congrats!

My take: it is not enshittification to raise the price for a product whose demand outstrips its supply. That is basic economics. There are alternatives, it’s not a monopoly. If you think it’s the best product, then pay more for it.

Personally I would be perfectly content if the price of Max went up a bit and Pro no longer worked for CC if it meant that Max was faster and more stable.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by mil22 »

0x_rs wrote: post #152
mil22 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equally, will offering a presumably unprofitably large quota of Codex tokens at $20 to retain non-enterprise customers turn out to be the right move for OpenAI? Would not be surprised to see OpenAI follow suit. Or perhaps OpenAI's LLMs are just so more compute efficient that they can actually offer that sustainably...

Feels to me it's a battle between who has the most compute. OpenAI does not seem to be struggling with their x2 usage on the new 100 Plan, which is very close to unlimited usage with the best performing model on the highest reasoning setting. Not mentioning the resets every 1 million customers, or the other generous usage multipliers last months. Meanwhile Anthropic seems to be desperately trying to cut down on infer…

Seems we were both right: https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2046740759056162816

"Codex will continue to be available both in the FREE and PLUS ($20) plans. We have the compute and efficient models to support it."

Both the compute, and the efficient models.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by weikju »

user34283 wrote: post #117
elschneider wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, I've seen a lot of whining online, because its more expensive, but from the interactions I've had I'd say, that it's well worth it. To me it feels like another step change, similar to when 4.5 was introduced. Definitely a different beast. EDIT: it is also surprising to me that everyone seems to believe the people at Anthropic are simply incompetent and recklessly risking their good reputation, while very few con…

I can’t say I’ve used it extensively enough to draw a conclusion, but it did seem similar to GPT 5.4 in Codex. When I threw it at a difficult issue in an iOS app, it like GPT came up with wrongly guessed explanations. It only found the issue after I had it instrument the app and add extensive logs. Usually GPT 5.4 is the same. Only that with GPT 5.4 it’s at least included in my subscription, while sending 3-4 message…

> Only that with GPT 5.4 it’s at least included in my subscription, while sending 3-4 messages to Opus 4.7 for this blew through my $20 plan limits and consumed $10 of extra usage on top. At that point I can’t help but bring up how much more expensive it is.

Rest assured OpenAI won’t want to leave that kind of money on the table…

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by selcuka »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #227
kelsey98765431 wrote: post #189

i cancelled cursor about 10 minutes ago and i'll cancel claude too

Back to coding by hand like our ancestors? Good for you! We should all do this, give them the finger.

Or you know, you can use a local model, or an open model with an independent provider.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by wek »

zormino wrote: post #145
robertkarl wrote: post #44

I don't think I've ever been on such a rollercoaster with a company's reputation in the developer space. I started in January on the $20 plan, essentially my first agentic AI programming. I quickly started hitting limits developing several apps at the same time. I went up to the $200 plan after seeing the value. After seeing my own issues with 4.6 and the mega-post on Github about declining metrics in a decent datase…

I think removing Claude Code from the $20 tier is a terrible idea, I never would've gone from nothing right into the $100/200 tier. The $20 plan let me get my feet wet and see how good it could be, and in less than a week I was on the $100 plan. I think they need to at least have a 1 month introductory rate for the max plan at $20, or devs that decide to try out agentic coding just won't go to Anthropic. That leads t…

I agree. Why would they not keep the $20 plan as a gateway drug?
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