Mr. Fix It - The Engineer's Mentality in Politics
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#32Now that the author is done insulting me ("adolescent, in spirit if not in age") let me reply: we know (from science, not from politics) more and more about "how people work" - for example, see here a talk from 2010 about the way the languages we speak affects our perception and preferences ( http://fora.tv/2010/10/26/Lera_Boroditsky_How_Language_Shape... ) - this is not wishy washy philosophy but empirical experimental psychology.
The thrust of this post is downright negligent and while some of what the author says is reasonable, I take objection to this snippet (among others):
"people have different but equally valid perspectives; that the truth is not necessarily hard and precise;"
this sort of relativism is utter nonsense (perhaps excluding some moral judgements) - how economies works is a deterministic thing, which is nonetheless incredibly complicated, highly sensitive to initial conditions including fluffy things like 'public mood'. This doesn't make the truth any less precise or hard, just difficult to calculate, like weather patterns.
Over the centuries we have garnered an awful lot of data, both on state governance and economies, and (one of) the reason(s) engineers and scientists get cross with politics is that humanities graduates do not understand how to look at this data and learn from it.
We are sick of contradictory facts being shouted from one side of the radio argument to the other, without anyone bothering to check them (or the presenters bothering to know what they're talking about by reading a properly researched briefing before going on air, preferring as they do to improvise.)
Now, before someone accuses me of breaking the "firefly rule" ("sooner or later they'll come back around to thinking they can 'make people better' ") let me also add the caveat that I'm not in favour of forcing everyone to learn a second language (although that's actually not a bad idea, we already try to in schools) or anything worse. I am in favour of redesigning our existing institutions (government, education, etc) in line with how evidence suggests they will be more effective at fulfilling their own goals. Evidence-based policy is considerably more valuable than the author seems to realise.
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#33This isn't wisdom. It's mere cynicism that's trying to pass itself off as wisdom. >But society isn’t a building. Its parts are people, not struts or circuits. That is why a humanistic education is far more useful to the policymaker (and by extension, the citizen) than a technical one. Of course society isn't a building. Who was arguing that it was? But many of our problems are technical in nature, or, at the very lea…
centrist means that the average of the positions probably has some sense to it; relativist means "everyone can be right at once, children..."
I'm a centrist, and I violently disagree with the dude! :)
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It is not valid if your premises (e.g. all species on Earth were created by a divine intelligent designer) have been proven false. Sigh... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
While I agree with the falsifiability comment, I think the "sigh" was unnecessary.
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#35this article made me rather cross! I'll post here what I commented on the article's discus, in case anyone is interested / wants to rebuff me. Now that the author is done insulting me ("adolescent, in spirit if not in age") let me reply: we know (from science, not from politics) more and more about "how people work" - for example, see here a talk from 2010 about the way the languages we speak affects our perception a…
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#36This isn't wisdom. It's mere cynicism that's trying to pass itself off as wisdom. >But society isn’t a building. Its parts are people, not struts or circuits. That is why a humanistic education is far more useful to the policymaker (and by extension, the citizen) than a technical one. Of course society isn't a building. Who was arguing that it was? But many of our problems are technical in nature, or, at the very lea…
Actually, I don't really see the problem with viewing society like a building. We have a constitution, an economic system, and the rule of law, all of which combine to form a societal foundation; this foundation has been flexible enough to scale our society from 13 states and a few million people to 50 and hundreds of millions; some people (slaves, etc.) were left out of the building and have slowly been brought in,…
You probably didn't realize this, but the reason is that it's authoritarian and paternalistic. In a democratic society everyone, participates in public life, at least at some level. Organizing society so that experts rule gives them the power to dominate, control and exploit non-experts.
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#37You can understand these feelings, to a certain extent. 'Idea people' deal with people and their imprecise measurements. Authors must look intelligent when pushing bullshit theories. The bailout is either great or not; the country either stands up or it doesn't. Neither matters unless the argument is well written. The endless technical muddle of public life is going to seem despicable to people who are used to pursuing their ends talking about their feelings.
But society isn't a drum circle. Its parts are people, who need struts and circuits. That is why a STEM education is far more useful to the policymaker (and by extension, the citizen) than a liberal arts one. Here are some of the things that the STEM fields, and the habits of alertness that they foster, will teach you: that when people have different but equally valid perspectives you shouldn't give them shit for doing engineering; that Truth just means matching our models of reality, sometimes several values can fit the model, that does not both make them right; that judgments of value are influenced by several judgments of fact in our brains, factors like priming, cognitive biases and learned behaviors affect every decision you make; that society will never be a smoothly functioning machine, but proper use of our tools and technology can help.
Blog posts arguing cute but nevertheless wrong all-compassing theories of the world, which appeal to the kind of person I’m talking about, and which are usually far more fiction than science—that is, the human complexity of science—tends to give them bad numbers upholding theories that are way too orderly to be plausible as manifestations of human nature. Perhaps that is why our political discussions often involve the same, tired wrong arguments. We either go Keynes, Hayek, or are replaced by socialists. Not for nothing does the idea of the silver bullet remain the central figure of the liberal arts imagination.
I've never written a post critiquing the idea that we are heading towards a multiplanetary civilization. I have no idea if it's possible or not, and I know enough not to make predictions that far out into the future. It is characteristic of the liberal arts mentality—whose representatives are so often biased enough to throw around statements like 'adolescent of spirit if not of age', to suppose that our fundamental problems are unresolvable. The thinker believes himself possessed of superior wisdom. In fact, he has no expertise. Wisdom is not to be found in an essay; its formula is experience plus reflection. Engineering is the management of human affairs, the never-ending calibration of interests, vanities, and corruptions. It depends on knowing, how things work, and how people do to build a better world.
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#38Wow this article seems deliberately offensive, even provocative. I was first angered, then frustrated and now amused by it. It certainly was emotionally entertaining for me at least. Surprised to run across this sort of thing on Hacker News though.
http://theamericanscholar.org/upper-middle-brow/
In this case, the kind of upper-middle-brow cultural consumers he is examining (in a rather unfriendly way) is the readers of the American Scholar.
So it's not just throwing stones at engineers. (And we are a touchy bunch, as this thread shows. ;-)
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#39This isn't wisdom. It's mere cynicism that's trying to pass itself off as wisdom. >But society isn’t a building. Its parts are people, not struts or circuits. That is why a humanistic education is far more useful to the policymaker (and by extension, the citizen) than a technical one. Of course society isn't a building. Who was arguing that it was? But many of our problems are technical in nature, or, at the very lea…
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#40this article made me rather cross! I'll post here what I commented on the article's discus, in case anyone is interested / wants to rebuff me. Now that the author is done insulting me ("adolescent, in spirit if not in age") let me reply: we know (from science, not from politics) more and more about "how people work" - for example, see here a talk from 2010 about the way the languages we speak affects our perception a…
On the other hand, playing the devil's advocate, it's remarkable that a system where, sometimes uninformed people, make decisions based on opinions they hear even works at all. There is very little empirical research on the value of the uninformed, but i wouldn't rule out the possibility it might be found to cause some benefit.