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Re: ChatGPT Images 2.0

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Post by Jtarii »

spijdar wrote: post #122
kibibu wrote: post #107

Genuine question: what positive use cases are sufficient to accept the harm from image generators? One that i can think of: - replacing photography of people who may be unable to consent or for whom it may be traumatic to revisit photographs and suitable models may not be available, e.g. dementia patients, babies, examples of medical conditions. Most other vaguely positive use cases boil down to "look what image gene…

The same question could be poised of art in general. I know that response would (and probably should) ruffle peoples' figurative feathers, but I think it's worth considering. A lot of art isn't "necessary for society". The question still stands, "are the benefits worth the cost to society", but it bears remembering we do a lot of things for fun which aren't "necessary for society".

If you want to say the complete destruction of truth is worth it because some people are having "fun" then idk.

Re: ChatGPT Images 2.0

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Post by wewtyflakes »

simonw wrote: post #37
simonw wrote: post #15

I've been trying out the new model like this: OPENAI_API_KEY="$(llm keys get openai)" \ uv run https://tools.simonwillison.net/python/openai_image.py \ -m gpt-image-2 \ "Do a where's Waldo style image but it's where is the raccoon holding a ham radio" Code here: https://github.com/simonw/tools/blob/main/python/openai_imag... Here's what I got from that prompt. I do not think it included a raccoon holding a ham radio…

I just got a much better version using this command instead, which uses the maximum image size according to https://github.com/openai/openai-cookbook/blob/main/examples... OPENAI_API_KEY="$(llm keys get openai)" \ uv run 'https://raw.githubusercontent.com/simonw/tools/refs/heads/main/python/openai_image.py' \ -m gpt-image-2 \ "Do a where's Waldo style image but it's where is the raccoon holding a ham radio" \ --quali…

A startling number of people either have no arms, one arm, a half of an arm, or a shrunken arm; how odd!

Re: ChatGPT Images 2.0

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Post by pstuart »

Legend2440 wrote: post #16
samiwami wrote: post #9

do they have anything similar to SynthID, or are they just pretending that problem doesn't exist? I know this is probably mega cherry-picked to look more impressive, but some of the images are terrifyingly realistic. They seem to have put a lot of effort into the lighting.

I think we are just going to have to accept that realistic images can be easily fabricated now. Seeing is not believing anymore, and I don't think SynthID or anything like it can restore that trust in images.

Hopefully the arms race will balance out with improved AI image detection, but I can see how that will never be guaranteed to be reliable.

Re: ChatGPT Images 2.0

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Post by minimaxir »

So during my Nano Banana Pro experiments I wrote a very fun prompt that tests the ability for these image generation models to follow heuristics, but still requires domain knowledge and/or use of the search tool:

    Create a 8x8 contiguous grid of the Pokémon whose National Pokédex numbers correspond to the first 64 prime numbers. Include a black border between the subimages.

    You MUST obey ALL the FOLLOWING rules for these subimages:
    - Add a label anchored to the top left corner of the subimage with the Pokémon's National Pokédex number.
      - NEVER include a `#` in the label
      - This text is left-justified, white color, and Menlo font typeface
      - The label fill color is black
    - If the Pokémon's National Pokédex number is 1 digit, display the Pokémon in a 8-bit style
    - If the Pokémon's National Pokédex number is 2 digits, display the Pokémon in a charcoal drawing style
    - If the Pokémon's National Pokédex number is 3 digits, display the Pokémon in a Ukiyo-e style
The NBP result is here, which got the numbers, corresponding Pokemon, and styles correct, with the main point of contention being that the style application is lazy and that the images may be plagiarized: https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:oxaerni...

Running that same prompt through gpt-2-image high gave an...interesting contrast: https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:oxaerni...

It did more inventive styles for the images that appear to be original, but:

- The style logic is by row, not raw numbers and are therefore wrong

- Several of the Pokemon are flat-out wrong

- Number font is wrong

- Bottom isn't square for some reason

Odd results.

Re: ChatGPT Images 2.0

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

reaperducer wrote: post #221
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What else? I used to have an assistant make little index-card sized agendas for gettogethers when folks were in town or I was organising a holiday or offsite. They used to be physical; now it's a cute thing I can text around so everyone knows when they should be up by (and by when, if they've slept in, they can go back to bed). AI has been good at making these. They don't need to be works of art, just cute and sill…

I don't care how many times you write "cute," having my vacation time programmed with that level of granularity and imposed obligation sounds like the definition of "dystopian." If I got one of your cute schedule cards while visiting you, I'd tear it up, check into a cheap motel, and spend the rest of my vacation actually enjoying myself. Edit: I'm not an outlier here. There have even been sitcom episodes about overb…

> If I got one of your cute schedule cards while visiting you, I'd tear it up, check into a cheap motel, and spend the rest of my vacation actually enjoying myself

Okay. I'd be confused why you didn't voice up while we were planning everything as a group, but those people absolutely exist. (Unless it's someone's, read: a best friend or my partner's, birthday. Then I'm a dictator and nobody gets a choice over or preview of anything.)

I like to have a group activity planned on most days. If we're going to drive to get in an afternoon hike in before a dinner reservation (and if I have 6+ people in town, I need a dinner reservation because no I'm not coooking every single evening), or if I've paid for a snowmobile tour or a friend is bringing out their telescope for stargazing, there are hard no-later-than departure times to either not miss the activity or be respectful of others' time.

My family used to resolve that by constantly reminding everyone the day before and morning of, followed by constantly shouting at each other in the hours and minutes preceding and–inevitably–through that deadline. I prefer the way I've found. If someone wants to fuck off from an activity, myself included, that's also perfectly fine.

(I also grew up in a family that overplanned vacations. And I've since recovered from the rebound instinct, which involves not planning anything and leaving everything to serendipity. It works gorgeously, sometimes. But a lot of other times I wonder why I didn't bother googling the cool festival one town over before hand, or regretted sleeping in through a parade.)

> There have even been sitcom episodes about overbearing hosts over-programming their guests' visits

Sure. And different groups have different strokes. When it comes to my friends and I, generally speaking, a scheduled activity every other day with dinners planned in advance (they all get hangry, every single fucking one of them) works best.

Re: ChatGPT Images 2.0

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Post by heisenzombie »

runarberg wrote: post #207
lucaslazarus wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it's the first time I'm asking myself: Ok, so this new cool tech, what is it good for? I feel like this is something people in the industry should be thinking about a lot, all the time. Too many social ills today are downstream of the 2000s culture of mainstream absolute technoöptimism. Vide. Kranzberg's first law--“Technology is neither good nor bad; nor is it neutral.”

Completely unrelated, but I am curious about your keyboard layout since you mistyped ö instead of - these two symbols are side by side in the Icelandic layout, and the ö is where - in the English (US) layout. As such this is a common type-o for people who regularly switch between the Icelandic and the English (US) layout (source: I am that person). I am curious whether more layouts where that could be common.

I suspect the diaresis was intentional, in “New Yorker” style.

https://www.arrantpedantry.com/2020/03/24/umlauts-diaereses-...

Re: ChatGPT Images 2.0

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Post by M3L0NM4N »

makira wrote: post #61
simonw wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just got a much better version using this command instead, which uses the maximum image size according to https://github.com/openai/openai-cookbook/blob/main/examples... OPENAI_API_KEY="$(llm keys get openai)" \ uv run 'https://raw.githubusercontent.com/simonw/tools/refs/heads/main/python/openai_image.py' \ -m gpt-image-2 \ "Do a where's Waldo style image but it's where is the raccoon holding a ham radio" \ --quali…

Fed into a clear Claude Code max effort session with : "Inspect waldo2.png, and give me the pixel location of a raccoon holding a ham radio.". It sliced the image into small sections and gave: "Found the raccoon holding a ham radio in waldo2.png (3840×2160). - Raccoon center: roughly (460, 1680) - Ham radio (walkie-talkie) center: roughly (505, 1650) — antenna tip around (510, 1585) - Bounding box (raccoon + radio):…

We would need a larger sample size than just myself, but the raccoon was in the very first spot I looked. Found it literally immediately, as if that's where my eyes naturally gravitated to first. Hopefully that's just luck and not an indictment of the image-creating ability, as if there is some element missing from this "Where's Waldo" image, that would normally make Waldo hard to find.

Re: ChatGPT Images 2.0

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Post by 3dsnano »

camillomiller wrote: post #166
lxgr wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t design wallpapers/stickers/icons/…, but I can describe what I want to an image generation model verbally or with a source photo, and the new ones yield pretty good results. For icons in particular, this opens up a completely new way of customizing my home screen and shortcuts. Not necessary for the survival of society, maybe, but I enjoy this new capability.

Is that worth the cost of this technology? Both in terms of financial shenanigans and its environmental cost?

absolutely without a doubt it is

Re: ChatGPT Images 2.0

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Post by bayindirh »

Legend2440 wrote: post #211
camillomiller wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that worth the cost of this technology? Both in terms of financial shenanigans and its environmental cost?

The environmental cost is significantly overblown, especially water usage.

I work with direct liquid cooled systems. If the datacenter is working with open DLC systems (most AI datacenters in the US in fact do), there's a lot of water is being wasted, 7/24/365.

A mid-tier top-500 system (think about #250-#325) consumes about a 0.75MW of energy. AI data centers consume magnitudes more. To cool that behemoth you need to pump tons of water per minute in the inner loop.

Outer loop might be slower, but it's a lot of heated water at the end of the day.

To prevent water wastage, you can go closed loop (for both inner and outer loops), but you can't escape the heat you generate and pump to the atmosphere.

So, the environmental cost is overblown, as in Chernobyl or fallout from a nuclear bomb is overblown.

So, it's not.

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