Gotta feed the beast some how.
Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. When I joined the workforce a long time ago, I went in with the mindset that: Their property, their equipment, their right to monitor (or even keylog). I was pleasantly surprised to find that not to be the case, but I've always believed in their right to do so. Why do people expect to have a right…
>Why do people expect to have a right to do non-work related stuff on the job? Like use the restroom? Personally, I'm not a slave. I am getting more and more used to the idea of having to push back on those who do exhibit such a mentality. Y'all are beginning to become a threat to the rest of us.
It's kind of funny to see how people here are reacting to the world they built when it finally comes to them
Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training
#213This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.
There was a lot of open dissent on workplace from what I recall.
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I cannot understand how can anyone hold such outrageously antihuman beliefs. Governments, corporations and any other organizations should all exist FOR the people, not the other way around. American-style capitalism truly is a disease.
So, you're saying if I work at a factory, I should be able to use the factory equipment to build my stuff?
If you work at the factory you should be able to complain about the boss when he's out of earshot without him snooping.
If that's something he cant handle he might have a problem with personal accountability.
Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training
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Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…
Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. There remains a thing called human dignity. If a company can't trust the people it hires, that's a fault in the hiring process, not the employees.
No to disagree with you here because I wholly support this position. But I can see the problem from both angles. The problem, it seems to me, is that, and Im not sure which came first, employees started being reckless at work, probably because employers stopped caring about the treatment of their workers, which ramped up the viscous cycle to where we are now.
I can see an argument for companies not trusting there employee's because most employees harbor borderline corrupt thinking in their work place and have terrible work ethics, of course all of this is brought on by corporate culture so its there fault in the first place, but im not exactly sure what started where.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's absolutely their right, but it's a dramatic cultural departure from the history of the company. In the late 2010s/pre-covid it was very common for employees to port their personal cell phone number to their work phone and just not have a personal cell phone . The internal culture at the company was remarkably open for their size. That all went away by the time I left in 2022, and from what I've heard it has only…
What do you think caused the change from being so employee-friendly to so employee-hostile?
They were employee-friendly when they wanted to hire. It's been years of layoffs, with another 10% from May onward.
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#217Yeah, this is crazy, remember when engineers were actually engineers and that meant something? Imagine asking to install spyware on your lawyers' firms' company laptops because you didn't trust them not to make some deal with the judge. Or demanding 24 hour monitoring on everything a doctor does because you need to review the footage at any time. EDIT: While we are here, let's do this for politicians as well :), publ…
Notably, I’ve had several lawyers sell me out. It’s not the emails, but the phone calls you need to worry about.
Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training
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Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people. My irony detector is sparking so badly I think it's about to blow.
This is a naive take on this. Do you think it stops with just metamates(lmao that’s what they call themselves) being surveilled? Nope. This is the exact type of thing that software IC’s should reject in solidarity. Being happy with BadCompanyX trampling employee expectations directly allows for GoodCompanyY to enact the same policies.
> This is the exact type of thing that software IC’s should reject in solidarity.
Yes. Which includes quitting, en masse, from any company that does this.
Meta ought to find it impossible to employ anyone with a policy like this.
Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training
#219I like to imagine they’ll mostly capture meta employees using AIs to do work. Then they’ll deploy models trained on this, and begin capturing employees using AIs that are good at using AIs to do work. Repeat a few times and they’ll start capturing the keystrokes from people mashing their heads into keyboards with dispair and exclaiming, “Why can’t these models do anything anymore!!”
> I like to imagine they’ll mostly capture meta employees using AIs to do work.
This will also give them data on which employees aren't using AI enough, and then they'll be PIP'd or let go.
Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training
#220This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.
Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…
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