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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by agluszak »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #280
petu wrote: post #256

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> Touchscreen does add about 200g of weight. 200g is weight of a smartphone, there's no way touch weighs that much. Framework 13 Pro screen seems to have plastic surface as before, not glass-laminated (which I guess could add 200g, but it's not a requirement for laptop touchscreen)

I have two Dell xps 13, two generations apart, the newer one is touchscreen the other (older) isn’t. Guess which one weighs 1.3kg and which weighs 1.1kg. I’ve literally never used the touchscreen.

> two generations apart

Maybe that's the reason, not the touchscreen?

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Post by prism56 »

aembleton wrote: post #305
prism56 wrote: post #242

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Yes but it's truly impressive to see it. It shows it can be done. An 11th gen CPU/mobo that came out in 2020 can be dropped straight into this new chassis. Or the newest display be can be dropped into your 2020 laptop/chassis.

I wish they booted them up in that video. Its one thing being able to plug parts in but its another for them to all work together.

Based on my experience upgrading my FW. There's probably drivers and bios updates needed to do the transfer

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by Koffiepoeder »

jeffbee wrote: post #270
Rohansi wrote: post #165

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How does soldering memory help reduce sleep power consumption vs. using a socket? What is different other than how they are physically connected to the board?

It's not the form factor itself that is the problem. LPDDR is more efficient for various reasons and cannot be on a DIMM. It physically will not work with a socket. That is the problem that LP-CAMM solves: LPDDR but still removable.

You did not answer the question.

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Post by cromka »

kelnos wrote: post #229
jampekka wrote: post #13

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> Having mainline Linux on a system with 24h+ battery life in a 13" case is pretty damn impressive. Does it have such battery life on Linux? The benchmarks, apart from suspend battery life, are for Windows.

I'd be surprised. Granted, not quite apples-to-apples, but I have the original Framework 13 chassis, 13th-gen Intel mainboard, original battery, and I've never gotten more than 5 hours or so, 6, maybe, at most, on Linux. Yes, the new 13 Pro comes with a larger batter, and maybe the new mainboard is more power-efficient, but 24h+ sounds way too optimistic.

Panther lake is substantially more efficient than your 13th gen and they increased the battery capacity by 35%. They claim 20h, not 24h, and that 20h is for video watching, not general use.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by wtallis »

3836293648 wrote: post #321
aembleton wrote: post #309

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Don't most LCD screens have localised dimming of the backlight these days?

Not laptops. Local dimming zones look awful when you have a white cursor moving around, so it's mostly still just a TV-feature

Looking awful has not prevented local dimming from becoming quite common on laptops. Apple has been doing an okay job of it in the MacBook Pro for several years. Lots of Windows laptops have been very hit-or-miss about it, but at least with those you often have an OLED option. I've seen multiple Windows laptops from more than one OEM where opening a terminal window with light text on a dark background means you can easily spot a single line of text getting much dimmer toward the center of the dark window, and lighter near the perimeter where it's close to other light content. And that's for static content; as you mentioned motion can bring more problems as the backlight lags behind the LCD.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by tredre3 »

cassianoleal wrote: post #3

The whole page advertises how well this runs Linux, but then… > The side-firing speakers are tuned with Dolby Atmos® to deliver clear, balanced audio on Windows

I agree with you, it would have been nice if their speakers had dedicated hardware to drive them instead of the magical dolby software.

All laptop speakers sound like shit on Linux. I'm sure people will reply with their anecdotal evidence, or pretend that it's not that bad once you have a good EQ. But we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I've spent hours trying to get multiple laptop speakers at least half as good as they sound on Windows. No success. And I'm talking thinkpads, dell xps, the usual linux go-tos, not some exotic stuff.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by d3Xt3r »

cge wrote: post #263
reaperducer wrote: post #247

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Unfortunately, as is usual for them, the parts and upgrade kits aren't available for ordering yet, and likely won't be for some time, until the actual laptops are shipping. It's unfortunate that they can't sell you something that hasn't been manufactured? That doesn't yet exist? HN is really scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to complain about.

I had meant they aren't available even for pre-ordering, and likely won't be until the laptops are either regularly shipping rather than shipping in numbered batches, or are on a high-numbered batch. This could be months after the actual laptops start shipping. This is a process I've been through a few times at this point. It also wasn't really meant as a substantial complaint about Framework, and more just a mention…

But they are available for pre-order though? At least here in NZ. I just ordered the AMD version, but the Intel one is available too (except the Ultra X9 which is already sold out).
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