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Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by antinomicus »

anal_reactor wrote: post #32
thot_experiment wrote: post #2

US support for Israel is one of the most horrible things imaginable, really makes me ashamed. It is only the US standing between the current horrendous status quo and Israel being an true international pariah state. Hopefully we cut off support and usher in a find out era.

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This is a pretty naive post. First, Russia has nukes. You say Iran can’t have a nuke because dictatorships “tend toward escalation” yet in the same breath mention Russia who has nukes and does not use them against Ukraine. How about North Korea? They have nukes have they “escalated”?

You say Iran is “dangerously close” to a nuke. Do you know this has been said for decades at this point? Do you remember Netanyahu’s ridiculous bomb picture from like 2009?

Did you know Iran specifically had a religious policy AGAINST nukes, a fatwah? So most of your premises are wrong and most importantly, paradoxically:

In fact if Iran had the weapon, the whole region would be MORE secure.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by TitaRusell »

thot_experiment wrote: post #87
bryanlarsen wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US support for Netanyahu is one of the most horrible things imaginable. US support for a non-Netanyahu Israel may not be so much. The distinction is important, at the very least so people don't call you an anti-Semite. But even without that, I think it's important. I'm anti-Trump, anti-Netanyahu, anti-Hamas, and anti-IRGC, but not anti-US, anti-Israel, anti-Palestine or anti-Iran. The citizens of those countries are…

I said what I said; israel is the problem, I have no significant beef with Judaism (no more than any religion and less than some). https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-extremes-of-israe...

The first woman doctor in the Netherlands was Jewish.

Ofcourse nowadays Dutch/European Jewish culture is utterly despised by Israelis because it was secular and liberal.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by Balgair »

woggy wrote: post #6

If only hell was real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUeBMwn_eYc

"War isn't Hell. War is war and Hell is hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse"

"How do you figure that Hawkeye?"

"Easy Father, tell me, who goes to Hell?"

"Hmm, sinners, I believe"

"Exactly, there are no innocent bystanders in Hell. But war is shot full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for a few of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander"

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by tmnvix »

atmavatar wrote: post #73
anal_reactor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Iran is dangerously close to acquiring nuclear weapons. ... Before Trump it was kind of taboo that US would just go to Iran and shoot them, hence the necessary existence of Israel that gives zero fucks and will shoot everyone who even thinks of threatening them. Before Trump, the US had a deal with Iran whereby they promised not to build nuclear weapons, and we had inspectors in the country to ensure they kept said p…

Don't forget the assassination of Iran's Supreme Leader - the man who issued a fatwa against Iran obtaining nuclear weapons.

It makes you think that ultimately, this is not simply about nuclear weapons. It is really about ensuring there is no possibility of a strong non-vassal state in the region (with the obvious exception).

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by suburban_strike »

thot_experiment wrote: post #4
thot_experiment wrote: post #2

US support for Israel is one of the most horrible things imaginable, really makes me ashamed. It is only the US standing between the current horrendous status quo and Israel being an true international pariah state. Hopefully we cut off support and usher in a find out era.

(Though to be honest my position is probably that we need to go past cutting off support and US tax dollars should go toward reparations for Palesine, Lebanon and probably Iran and others, we are complicit in a lot of fucked shit.) ((I don't think those places are lead by great individuals and everything is amazing to be clear, I also think the people there have suffered immensely from a century of american, british…

This is "let's you and him fight" logic.

We've already given Israel almost $400 billion. Subrogate them for Palestinian reparations instead of billing everything to us like a teenage girl let loose at the mall with Daddy's credit card.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by thot_experiment »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #75
Allfodr wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's crazy to me that you know this and yet it seems like you are still in support of the US protecting Israel? You still think this is a net win for the world? That's incomprehensible to me. It's crazy to me that you know the UN is literally run by states that actually commit war crimes, kill LGBTQ people, suppress women and minority rights, countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and you still think UN condemna…

> Arab citizens can vote Call me when the citizens in Gaza and the West Bank get a vote. Oh, they're citizens of another country you say? What country would that be? Like, it's great that Israeli Arabs are treated (somewhat) well, but it doesn't excuse what's happening in Gaza and (particularly) in the West Bank. Regardless of how progressive or democratic a state is, if they keep bombing other states and killing peo…

> It's profoundly depressing that the Jewish people, fresh off of 2k years of oppression, have decided to speedrun the same behaviours against someone else.

I know it can seem like this but it's important to make the distinction that Jewish people are not the same set as zionists and israelis, and that conflation is something the latter two parties DESPERATELY want you to make.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

antinomicus wrote: post #90
bryanlarsen wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US support for Netanyahu is one of the most horrible things imaginable. US support for a non-Netanyahu Israel may not be so much. The distinction is important, at the very least so people don't call you an anti-Semite. But even without that, I think it's important. I'm anti-Trump, anti-Netanyahu, anti-Hamas, and anti-IRGC, but not anti-US, anti-Israel, anti-Palestine or anti-Iran. The citizens of those countries are…

Claiming that Israel is entirely a Netanyahu problem is ridiculous. No Netanyahu and what do you have left? An apartheid state, probably run by any number of awful replacements, like ben gvir or smotrich. Israel was founded in the shadow of the Nakba - they displaced million people and killed something like 15,000. That was only right when it was founded too. Post 1967, Israel ceased to have any left wing politics, a…

I deliberately used the phrase "Netanyahu's Israel". The problem is much more than Netanyahu, it's the Israel Netanyahu epitomizes whether or not it got there via Netanyahu or other similar routes. Given that Netanyahu was legitimately elected, there are lots of similar routes.

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Post by chewz »

anal_reactor wrote: post #44
thot_experiment wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if Iran being a dictatorship has a cause? Why does the Arab world hate Israel I wonder? Everything you're talking about is basically a direct result of UK, US and israeli bullshit in the area. It's people with exactly the same sort of colonial geopolitical ideas as you that CAUSED THE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

When in doubt, blame the British. The British theorem: all life's problems can eventually be traced back to the British.

Well, God is British. It is customary to blame Him

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Post by watwut »

gostsamo wrote: post #16

The christian supporters of Israel can also think a bit about the itf soldiers destroying a statue of Jesus in Lebanon if they want to understand what they are supporting. Useful idiots doesn't even start to describe it. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd575n1znzo

I kinda feel like from all the things going on ... breaking statue is the least of the things. Like, who cares.

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Post by malfist »

anal_reactor wrote: post #32
thot_experiment wrote: post #2

US support for Israel is one of the most horrible things imaginable, really makes me ashamed. It is only the US standing between the current horrendous status quo and Israel being an true international pariah state. Hopefully we cut off support and usher in a find out era.

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I've heard Israel is close to a nuclear bomb since 1972. How is it different today?
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