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Re: Brands got worse on purpose

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I'd say we really need an phone application and or web browser extension to find out if a product is owned by Private Equity or Big Business. Something like isitbigbeer.com but for clothing, toys, food, and drink. Companies like Kroger are buying up their competition while not changing the name to make it look like they still compete.

The Buyr app is made for this, though not sure it covers clothing and toys yet.

Re: Brands got worse on purpose

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>I acknowledge not everyone has the privilege to spend $99 on a pair of jeans, but if you find yourself able, I think it's worthy to support American manufacturing. I feel like I'm in a parallel universe. What year is it? Base Levis are more than that... We're also on a site filled with well off tech workers. $99 jeans aren't exactly a luxury. https://www.levi.com/US/en_US/clothing/men/501-original-mens...

The contrast of your two perspectives kind of illustrates the information void (of quality vs price) in the article. At Walmart it's common to get jeans (including Levi jeans) for < $20. But how long will they last? I honestly don't know, and even more I don't know how to definitely pay more for better quality.

Yeah I get that but it's not as though we're on a forum for foodstamps recipients. The median income on HN is no doubt top 10% in the nation and often far higher. Talking about $99 jeans as some great luxury is literally from a different universe.

Re: Brands got worse on purpose

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Private equity destroys everything it touches

Lots of brands are public and also shit now. Perhaps the issue is that MBAs are ruining everything?

Let's not pretend that shareholders are innocent. They are happy with the quick buck the board gives them.

Re: Brands got worse on purpose

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Author here. Good catch... you're right. The wool is still woven in Pendleton and Washougal, but finished product sourcing is a mix and some blankets are now assembled offshore. Will update the Ledger entry and the essay today.

Please address the criticisms that this is AI written slop here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47850659 . Why are you writing this and what's your goal? Are you actually checking every fact in the articles? I think you'd do well to cite a lot more of your sources, especially given the AI concerns. Cite legal filings, public records, reddit comments, whatever. Verifiability would help.

I appreciate the pushback - happy to address.

On the AI question: I use LLMs throughout the process. Research assistance (pulling threads together, checking claims against sources, summarizing industry reports), and editing passes. The reporting, arguments, and editorial judgment are mine. Every factual claim gets verified before it goes out. That's the standard I hold it to, and when I miss (like the DC Shoes paragraph refulgentis flagged), I fix it.

Speaking of which, I have updated that section with three sources: https://www.worseonpurpose.com/p/your-favorite-brands-got-wo...

On sourcing more broadly: you're right that the earlier essays need more inline citations. My first essay (backpack) especially is thin. I will go through to retrofit with sources asap.

Goal is what I said upthread: to create a public record of who owns what, and what ownership has done to the product. I hate that it has become impossible to track how quality has been eroded across industries. I hope Worse on Purpose can be an antidote to that trend.

Palantir is my day job. It is completely unrelated to this work.

Re: Brands got worse on purpose

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Brooks has their "factory outlet" crap that is also what you're likely to see at "overstock" stores like Nordstrom Rack (or TJ Max, though I'm not sure they get Brooks-branded stuff; NR does). That entire market is basically one big decentralized fraud operation, they took a model that used to involve selling brands' real goods that had, for whatever reason, not sold well or had minor quality defects, at steep discou…

> the government is captured by rich crime-loving assholes It’s funny how fast average joe complains when a lack of economic growth slows down their 401k’s though… Edit: Apparently I’m surrounded by non-standard Joe

WHY ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT DESIGNER-BRAND WHITE-LABEL FRAUD AND EPSTEIN, WHEN THE DOW IS UP 50K!??

Re: Brands got worse on purpose

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I'm glad they had the "Brands That Still Make Their Own Stuff" list, that was my first thought. What other brands are still decent?

Arcteryx, despite being owned by a larger corporation, is still high quality. Their hardshell jackets are the gold standard. I've also had success with Mountain Hardware, Outdoor Research (jackets and pants). (I do search and rescue, so a lot of focus on outdoor stuff. It is also really hard on gear so anything cheaply made gets destroyed pretty quickly.)

It's not that being owned by a larger corp is inherently bad. Mountain Hardware is owned by Columbia, so is Prana, and all three are good quality and Columbia is a decent company by all accounts.

So it's what type of company owns it -- is it a PE play to extract maximum value for shareholders, or a lasting company building value for consumers?

Re: Brands got worse on purpose

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Same here.. i bulk buy tons of AG (American Giant) t-shirts (Premium Slub Crew Tee is awesome) and tons of their jeans too.

Interesting. Hadn't heard of American Giant. I buy AG Jeans and Robert Barakett shirts, and this is my usual outfit. However, AG Jeans ( https://www.agjeans.com/ ) is distinct from American Giant jeans ( https://www.american-giant.com/collections/mens-bottoms ). I also struggle to identify quality brands. Generally just shop at Nordstorm.

How can a t-shirt possibly be worth $100? Is that truly better than alternatives?

Re: Brands got worse on purpose

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Funny baader-meinhof moment for me reading this. My wife recently bought me some Brooks Brothers polo shirts that essentially dissolved the first time they were washed. I had never seen a shirt that was such poor quality. We were both flabbergasted, and the employees apparently gave her a bit of a hard time when she tried to return them. I suppose I now know why. What this company is doing is taking advantage of, and…

Brooks has their "factory outlet" crap that is also what you're likely to see at "overstock" stores like Nordstrom Rack (or TJ Max, though I'm not sure they get Brooks-branded stuff; NR does). That entire market is basically one big decentralized fraud operation, they took a model that used to involve selling brands' real goods that had, for whatever reason, not sold well or had minor quality defects, at steep discou…

I mean "factory outlet malls" have been a trend for like two decades now and the whole third-rate product line scam has been going stronger even before then. Sad part is a lot of knockoffs/bootlegs are ironically better quality than the absolute rubbish those "outlet" type stores peddle these days, while also being cheaper, but really neither are worth your money.

Re: Brands got worse on purpose

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+1 on Origin. 100% of their good are built from American-grown/made materials, built by American hands. It's wayyyy more expensive than most common brands ($99 for a pair of jeans), but if you compare them to "luxury" brands like Lululemon, it's comparable and wasn't manufactured using slave labor. Personally, I love using Origin for everything I can afford to use them for. I acknowledge not everyone has the privileg…

>I acknowledge not everyone has the privilege to spend $99 on a pair of jeans, but if you find yourself able, I think it's worthy to support American manufacturing. I feel like I'm in a parallel universe. What year is it? Base Levis are more than that... We're also on a site filled with well off tech workers. $99 jeans aren't exactly a luxury. https://www.levi.com/US/en_US/clothing/men/501-original-mens...

Man, I have no idea what is going on here, but your link takes me to a page for 501's for $110, yet just clicking around I found this page [0] that lists what to me looks like exactly the same jeans for $85 and with an option to "Buy 2+, For $55 Each". I'm still moderately convinced that $99 is ~double the actual market rate for a pair of Levi's and even Levi's are upper middle-end in my mind. Wranglers don't look as good but they're just has hard wearing and cheaper in my experience. (For what it's worth I've worn everything from $25 Wranglers to $300 selvedge denim and my conclusion is that ~$50 Levi's are sweet spot of price/comfort/looks)

0: https://www.levi.com/US/en_US/clothing/men/jeans/straight/50...

Re: Brands got worse on purpose

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> Just but either professional (as in practitioners of a trade us it) or military products — those tend to be much better than “consumers” products. They cost more but they will last a lifetime. Eh, I'm not sure that's such good advice. IIRC, I remember stumbling across tacticool "military grade" USB thumb drives, for instance. I doubt those are any better than your typical name-brand drive. "Professional" seems to b…

The impression I've gotten from ex-military folks is that regarding "military grade" as a marker of quality is a habit they find particularly funny.

As a veteran myself, I've never understood people who say this. Yes, military stuff is made by the lowest bidder, but it's made by the lowest bidder to generally much higher standards than a civilian product. The military is much harder on equipment than most people in civilian life ever will be. Military stuff will always be bulkier and heavier, but will generally last much longer in the hands of an 18 year old soldier who didn't have to pay for it in a way that civilian stuff just won't.

That said, "military grade" means fuck all, as does a one-off testing/prototype deal. The only time I would take military use as a sign of quality is when it's verifiably combat tested and approved by the soldiers on the ground, and now that I've been out for 15 years it can be hard to tell the difference.

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