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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by snarkconjecture »

IshKebab wrote: post #134
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Easily. If you proclaim up front that a device is "Linux first", it seems reasonable to suggest that maybe you should tell us about its performance on Linux.

Yeah I mean I don't think they want to say because the numbers are going to be bad, and it's probably not within their power to fix it. They should probably give the Linux numbers after the Windows ones at least tbf, even if they are bad.

I am much more likely to fault them for omitting important information specifically to hide a weak point of the product rather than out of laziness.

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Post by koalaman »

daemonologist wrote: post #74
koalaman wrote: post #52

I'm struggling to understand if this supports usb-c based thunderbolt

All four ports support Thunderbolt 4 - if you scroll down to "Interfaces" on the product specs page there's a graphic showing everything that's supported.

nice! Thanks! I had no idea USB4 and Thunderbolt were equivalent.

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Post by pwnna »

michaelt wrote: post #153
pojntfx wrote: post #17

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Don't see why it wouldn't - as long as pstate etc. works it should be the same. I'd argue it's probably better given that modern desktops use far less resources in the background compared to Windows I bet they don't publish Linux numbers because it depends on which desktop you use etc.

A lot of office workers these days spend a lot of time in video calls. So to get the best battery life you need, for example, your browser to use GPU-accelerated video encoding and decoding. Linux is something of a second-class citizen for both GPU vendors and browser vendors. So for example if you're using Firefox and an nvidia GPU on Linux? No video encode/decode acceleration for you. The browser will silently swit…

HW video decoding is now available and by default on in Chrome on at least Ubuntu with my Intel iGPU. I was also surprised when they turned it on under the radar. I saw this the other day debugging a problem and saw others see it too: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1ojydv9/comment/nm8...

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Post by trelane »

iknowstuff wrote: post #151
zekica wrote: post #140

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Mainly because Microsoft wants to have "connected standby": the CPU is running in a low power mode (not powered off like "old" S3 sleep), can be turned on periodically and can turn on other devices even when the computer is "sleeping". My Zen2 based Lenovo laptop has 6-7 hours of battery when doing basic tasks in both Windows and Linux, but sleep on Linux lasts a week while on Windows it's empty in 24 hours.

Macs have that too, just implemented well. In addition, CPUs with connected standby don’t have the normal sleep so even on linux they run in connected standby. Maybe its less buggy in your case? Consider yourself lucky, lots of people encounter problems with sleep on linux

> lots of people encounter problems with sleep on linux

Yeah, because they buy a Windows laptop, slap Linux on it, and expect it to work.

OSX sucks even more by this metric; it won't even install!

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Post by mplanchard »

brson wrote: post #138

I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year. The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died. On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me he…

To compare anecdotes, I’ve had mine for 3 years, and it’s still working great. Haven’t had any issues with it.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by pjmlp »

kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

Same in Germany, it ends around similar Apple and Thinkpad prices.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by jjice »

matthiaswh wrote: post #208
jjice wrote: post #156

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First off, Framework is maybe the most exciting company I've seen over the last 5 years. My Framework 13 AMD is a wonderful machine. Thank you to your and your team for the incredible work and commitment! Two questions: 1. Will there will be a concrete guide to upgrading a standard Framework 13 to the Pro. I watched the video and read the page a few times, and I'm a bit confused what the whole process is and if all t…

This should answer most of your first question: https://frame.work/laptop13pro?tab=upgrade-to-pro

That's actually the part that I was getting confused by. Does everything with a yellow caution sign have to be upgraded together, or can that happen over time?

Reading it again, I'm assuming they're overtime and individual upgrades that can take place? If someone could confirm or deny that for me, I would appreciate it. I may just be overthinking this table.

Edit: yeah that's what I'm taking away after rereading this a few more times. Very impressed by the modularity on each of those parts.

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Post by kelnos »

jampekka wrote: post #13
pojntfx wrote: post #9

I'm really looking forward to having this as the go-to laptop to recommend to devs again. The original Framework chassis was really showing it's age next to e.g. a MacBook Pro or the new XPS 14. Having mainline Linux on a system with 24h+ battery life in a 13" case is pretty damn impressive.

> Having mainline Linux on a system with 24h+ battery life in a 13" case is pretty damn impressive. Does it have such battery life on Linux? The benchmarks, apart from suspend battery life, are for Windows.

I'd be surprised. Granted, not quite apples-to-apples, but I have the original Framework 13 chassis, 13th-gen Intel mainboard, original battery, and I've never gotten more than 5 hours or so, 6, maybe, at most, on Linux. Yes, the new 13 Pro comes with a larger batter, and maybe the new mainboard is more power-efficient, but 24h+ sounds way too optimistic.

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Post by michaelt »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #190
michaelt wrote: post #153

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A lot of office workers these days spend a lot of time in video calls. So to get the best battery life you need, for example, your browser to use GPU-accelerated video encoding and decoding. Linux is something of a second-class citizen for both GPU vendors and browser vendors. So for example if you're using Firefox and an nvidia GPU on Linux? No video encode/decode acceleration for you. The browser will silently swit…

Call me crazy, but most people working typically leave their laptops wired in to either a charger or a hub so they can have more monitors. I know some people will go through the effort of charging and pulling the cord, and charging later, but most people don't want to micromanage something they can forget about while working. If you're living on battery life for a work call, it would not matter if you're on Windows,…

Among Linux users, long battery life is for in-office workers (who leave their desk to attend meetings) in hybrid companies (where no meetings are laptop-free) in roles that sometimes involve back-to-back meetings.
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