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Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by colechristensen »

recursive wrote: post #106
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if a store does not want to hire capable staff to perform an essential function, they should not expect laypeople to perform that action for free (or at higher cost, as we've seen with grocery prices in the US as human cashiers are reduced) at the same level as a trained staff member. we do not have to accept this decision to reduce staff and raise prices as a matter of course. plus, if you see somebody stealing food…

If GuinasEyebrows does not want to drive an appropriately security-hardened armored vehicle, then they should not expect that I will not jimmy the lock and hotwire it. If you see me drive it away, no you didn't . People are responsible for their own actions. If you think shoplifting is morally acceptable, don't try to tell me that I didn't see it.

With about a month of practice you could learn to pick 95% of residential locks.

So free everything because homeowners didn't bother to secure their stuff!/s

Growing up our house physically did not have a lock. Keys never left vehicle ignitions. A frequent experience was buying a farm machinery part and picking it up after hours out of the back of somebody's truck.

Living in low trust societies sucks.

I've had friends bring people over to my house who just randomly stole things. I've dated women who stole money out of my wallet or if it'd leave $10 on the table they'd just take it.

Casual theft is just gross as is the need to constantly feel like you need to defend yourself from everyone you meet, but moreso the casual attitude people have towards it.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by colechristensen »

xenocratus wrote: post #120
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if a store does not want to hire capable staff to perform an essential function, they should not expect laypeople to perform that action for free (or at higher cost, as we've seen with grocery prices in the US as human cashiers are reduced) at the same level as a trained staff member. we do not have to accept this decision to reduce staff and raise prices as a matter of course. plus, if you see somebody stealing food…

> plus, if you see somebody stealing food, no, you didn't Don't tell me, in your view the cost of shoplifting is begrudgingly covered by those evil rich people who own everything, right? It's not passed down to customers, and therefore affects those who obey rules, and especially those who are in a precarious financial situation to begin with, right?

The delusional thing is they think the cost is distributed to the owners.

They just cut worker hours and raise prices. The owners don't see a difference.

The richest person they're hurting is the store manager earning $200k missing some of their bonus.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by lamasery »

FatherOfCurses wrote: post #89
DangerousPie wrote: post #33

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Congratulations, you have discovered the concept of shoplifting!

Too bad the store owners introduced a way to give customers more control over how merchandise exits their store.

Not just that, getting unpaid labor. Self-checkouts aren’t automating anything, they’re just making the shopper do work for the store.

I hope they’re losing money over it.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by colechristensen »

vel0city wrote: post #125
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if a store does not want to hire capable staff to perform an essential function, they should not expect laypeople to perform that action for free (or at higher cost, as we've seen with grocery prices in the US as human cashiers are reduced) at the same level as a trained staff member. we do not have to accept this decision to reduce staff and raise prices as a matter of course. plus, if you see somebody stealing food…

If people are needing to steal food to survive we need to radically work on changing society so that doesn't happen, not just then a blind eye and ignore it. But no, most people in the US aren't stealing from grocery stores to feed their kids, they're stealing from stores to resell on black markets.

I know people who have during a period of their life needed to steal food to eat.

These are not the people bragging about scamming the self checkouts.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by lamasery »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #131
ryandrake wrote: post #128

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I don't understand why we'd defend a megacorporation. Both the corporation and the shoplifter can be wrong.

The business is not wrong for choosing to use automation. Everyone does it every day, and it is not considered "wrong".

Self-checkouts aren’t automation. They just change who does the work (to someone not being paid for it).

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by yreg »

lamasery wrote: post #153
FatherOfCurses wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too bad the store owners introduced a way to give customers more control over how merchandise exits their store.

Not just that, getting unpaid labor. Self-checkouts aren’t automating anything, they’re just making the shopper do work for the store. I hope they’re losing money over it.

They are automating quite a lot, since the wait times are much much lower. I choose the self-checkout counters >95% of the time.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by Avshalom »

runjake wrote: post #142
neuralkoi wrote: post #118

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Yesterday I went to Walmart, and at the self-checkout the system quirked out and an attendant came by. She reviewed some sort of draconian overhead cam video of me trying to locate a tag out for a product to scan. Gave me "guilty until proven" innocent vibes. Are these systems actually effective?

Hey, something I'm somewhat qualified to answer! So, yes, these systems are actually effective. The systems and procedures are designed to look low key, but essentially perform PRISM-like mass surveillance behind the scene. These systems are managed by former US IC personnel. What happens is that your identity is tied to these purchases and after a certain threshold you get flagged as a thief, essentially. At that po…

On the other hand Walmart has been getting rid of self checkout because they're not actually effective.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by otterley »

devilbunny wrote: post #61
rimunroe wrote: post #22

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> Usually the advertised price must be honored, because it may have brought the customer to your store. This is not the case for groceries in Massachusetts at least. If there’s a discrepancy between the tag’s price and the scanned price the store must charge the customer the lowest of the two: https://www.mass.gov/price-accuracy-information

I suspect this law does not apply in cases of fraud. If not, simple tag-switching would be rampant.

There is, as you suspect, a carveout:

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXV/Cha...

(i) ...if there is a discrepancy between the advertised price, the sticker price, the scanner price or the display price and the checkout price on any grocery item, a food store or a food department shall charge a consumer the lowest price. If the checkout price or scanner price is not the lowest price or does not reflect any qualifying discount, the seller: (i) shall not charge the consumer for 1 unit of the grocery item, if the lowest price is $10 or less; (ii) shall charge the consumer the lowest price less $10 for 1 unit of the grocery item, if the lowest price is more than $10; and (iii) shall charge the consumer the lowest price for any additional units of the grocery item. For the purposes of this subsection and unless the deputy director determines otherwise, individual items that differ only by color, flavor or scent shall be counted as the same item if they are identical in all other aspects, including price, brand, and may only vary in random weight. This subsection shall not apply if: (1) there is evidence of willful tampering; or (2) the discrepancy is a gross error, in that the lowest price is less than half of the checkout price and the seller, in the previous 30 days, did not intend to sell the grocery item at the lowest price.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by dpoloncsak »

compton93 wrote: post #49
Aboutplants wrote: post #29

I was in college when self checkout became a thing and it took us all of about 45 seconds to realize that you could just check everything out as bananas. Steak was weighed and priced at 4011 (banana code) as the stoned teenager cashier paid no attention. Everything on the receipt was literally Bananas

That's crazy. But coming from someone who wrote a book on retail fraud and worked as a retail fraud analyst for several years... you could have just walked straight out with those items. Transacting was your way of leaving a calling card for the investigators/analysts to find you... You stole regardless of how you did it.

This gives the ability to use the excuse "I didn't know how to use the machine, I thought I used it correctly, nobody ever trained me on this", where as just walking out does not

(Not a lawyer, I'd imagine you know better here than I do)

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by acessoproibido »

Avshalom wrote: post #157
runjake wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, something I'm somewhat qualified to answer! So, yes, these systems are actually effective. The systems and procedures are designed to look low key, but essentially perform PRISM-like mass surveillance behind the scene. These systems are managed by former US IC personnel. What happens is that your identity is tied to these purchases and after a certain threshold you get flagged as a thief, essentially. At that po…

On the other hand Walmart has been getting rid of self checkout because they're not actually effective.

That's really surprising. In my experience its so much faster than traditional cashier.
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