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What killed the Florida orange?

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Re: What killed the Florida orange?

#11

It was a sad day for me when I realized that a glass of orange juice(or any juice in general) isn't much better for your health than a can of soda and probably even worse than diet/zero coke.

Most artificial sweeteners have metabolic side effects, and lead to weight gain.

You’re probably better off drinking cane sugar soda because it is more filling than HFCS soda.

Anyway orange juice is probably better still. At least it has some vitamin C and maybe trace fiber in it.

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

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post #11

It was a sad day for me when I realized that a glass of orange juice(or any juice in general) isn't much better for your health than a can of soda and probably even worse than diet/zero coke.

Most artificial sweeteners have metabolic side effects, and lead to weight gain. You’re probably better off drinking cane sugar soda because it is more filling than HFCS soda. Anyway orange juice is probably better still. At least it has some vitamin C and maybe trace fiber in it.

no metabolic effects from sweeteners, wish you lot would stop moving the goalposts on why sweeteners are unhealthy:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12098100/

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

#15
This reminds me of the collapse of the Gros Michel banana variety, also due to disease. Near-100% loss of a food crop, even a luxury one, is an alarming thing to see though.

(I was wondering if climate change would be mentioned, but that doesn't seem to be critical there yet. Starting to be noticed in European grape terroir.)

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most artificial sweeteners have metabolic side effects, and lead to weight gain. You’re probably better off drinking cane sugar soda because it is more filling than HFCS soda. Anyway orange juice is probably better still. At least it has some vitamin C and maybe trace fiber in it.

no metabolic effects from sweeteners, wish you lot would stop moving the goalposts on why sweeteners are unhealthy: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12098100/

The abstract says the study is useless:

> However, given this study applied a heterogeneous ASB formula, it could not adequately consider the role of specific artificial sweeteners. Further research is needed to evaluate the potential effect of different artificial sweeteners and their doses on health.

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

#17

It's not who killed it, it's what killed it and the answer is greed.

For anyone not aware, the most proximate cause of the disappearance of "Florida Orange Juice™ " is the Candidatus Liberibacter asiaticus bacteria. Monoculture is often blamed, but the bacteria affects all citrus trees - oranges, limes, lemons, grapefruits, pomelos, etc.

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no metabolic effects from sweeteners, wish you lot would stop moving the goalposts on why sweeteners are unhealthy: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12098100/

The abstract says the study is useless: > However, given this study applied a heterogeneous ASB formula, it could not adequately consider the role of specific artificial sweeteners. Further research is needed to evaluate the potential effect of different artificial sweeteners and their doses on health.

it's also not the only study, just one example, besides that's standard boilerplate CE so as not to assume liability.

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

#20

Looks like premature collapse of a monoculture due to excess stress, much of it a result of human effort.

I don't think monoculture is relevant for once; the bacteria affects all citrus trees: oranges, limes, lemons, grapefruits, pomelos, etc.

Yeah, not just one or two susceptible varieties.

But when you have nothing but the perfect host for the infection, in incredibly massive proportions as far as the eye can see, a little bacteria goes a long way.

Which can be even worse :(

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