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Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by 7bit »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

It's process vs end result.

If it's the end result important to you, use whatever tool brings you there fastest and makes you the most happy about the result.

But often it's the process that's important to people.

In both cases, it's very clear what the answer is.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by Antibabelic »

grey-area wrote: post #354
montag wrote: post #345

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Our relationship to slop is a bit more complicated than that, no? Whether it's terrible music or not is somewhat irrelevant. Plagiarized music doesn't sound worse than the original. What seems to matter more is the story behind the work. Basically, if the author is a grifter trying to make a quick buck, then it's slop. You can make an argument that Taylor Swift qualifies as slop, but most people will disagree. The pu…

I’d say the quality is the most important metric. I (and I think most poeple?) object to slop because it is objectively bad, not because it was generated. And popularity is unrelated to quality.

This is a contradiction. If most people objected to bad music, that would make popularity directly related to quality.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by Akuehne »

With the majority of popular music decided by a handful of people in LA, Nashville, or New York, let me ask one question: is this actually a bad thing?

Hear me out. Most of what's on the radio could have been made by AI already and no one would've noticed the difference.

To be clear, I'm not talking about legitimate artists doing something original or authentic. I'm talking about the execs who find performers to sing and dance over their perfectly manufactured hit single. Songs made by people like Max Martin, who aren't trying to express anything beyond their knowledge of which combination of notes has the highest ROI. No disrespect to Max, he's incredibly talented at what he does. But now the execs have the data, and they don't need the Max Martins, Diane Warrens, or Carole Kings anymore. They can plug in the numbers and out comes a perfect song for their next artist.

So let's embrace the new AI pop. Let it dethrone the kings who've shaped the sound of pop culture for too long.

Real art always seems to find its fans eventually, and I don't think AI will stop that. Yet. When a model writes a song that lingers the way "Linger" does, maybe it will. But at that point, if the music really is that good, does it matter?

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by tmountain »

mega_dean wrote: post #281
tmountain wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been involved in one music project or another (bands, albums, solo projects, etc) for the past 25 years. During the pandemic, a friend and I decided to make a record together. We labored over it for almost two years and finally “released it” on bandcamp to very little fanfare. A few friends and family had nice things to say, and one random stranger reached out with positive feedback. I get a monthly stream repor…

I had a very similar experience releasing a video game. Barely anybody downloaded it because I didn’t put any effort into marketing/promoting, but “I couldn’t be happier with my journey in making it”. I have replayed it a few times and it makes me unreasonably happy (although I’m taking a break now because I want to forget where everything is on the map).

Care to share the link? I'd like to take a look.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by somewhatgoated »

saaaaaam wrote: post #344
somewhatgoated wrote: post #278

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If they don’t care what is the problem? The biggest issue for new musicians is not AI generated slop, it’s a predatory industry and a backlog of 80+ years of excellent music.

The biggest issue for new musicians is getting people’s attention. AI music that people are happy to over human music listen to is absolutely part of the problem.

I agree that this is the biggest problem, but the existing backlog of hits is far that have been recorded since way before I was born is far “worse” in that regard than AI slop.

It’s easy (at least for now) to compete with slop - it’s way harder to compete with e.g. Queen, Eminem and the Beatles.

It’s like saying cancer is a problem when you’re bleeding from a gunshot wound to your chest.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by coldtea »

avereveard wrote: post #348
coldtea wrote: post #248

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I gave my why's already in the previous comment: Claim: What it will do is it will spoil it for 99% of small time artists that still managed to make a living out of it. Why: It will drown audience with slop and make them not care for new releases even more. Claim: That "artists" idea is that the Monet's will survive, but art is not a rat race where just the Monets need apply. Why: (because) a healthy art scene needs…

this is all circular, with the why being the claim. I still see no why, just phrased slightly differently

The "phrased slightly differently" is the why. It's not circular, it's one step further, e.g. "why would it spoil it for small time artists" "because it will drawn the audience with slop".

You just keep questioning at the next level, like a small kid asking "any why would it do X", "because Y", "and why would it do Y". Ultimately you'll reach asking why the Big Bang happened or something.

What you're ask for seems to be "ultimate causual mechanism". That's not how arguments work, this isn't Physics. The reader needs to apply their thinking to the implications of extra slop production, for example.

If they don't believe that AI will produce extra slop, I don't know what to tell them.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by coldtea »

8note wrote: post #313
coldtea wrote: post #248

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I gave my why's already in the previous comment: Claim: What it will do is it will spoil it for 99% of small time artists that still managed to make a living out of it. Why: It will drown audience with slop and make them not care for new releases even more. Claim: That "artists" idea is that the Monet's will survive, but art is not a rat race where just the Monets need apply. Why: (because) a healthy art scene needs…

> Why: It will drown audience with slop and make them not care for new releases even more. why do you think this is the case though? vs people being more excited to get art made by small artists because they arent ai slop. tbe small artist opening their stufio to sell prints has always been about the experience of visiting and talking to the artist, not the piece of slop that you end up buying

>why do you think this is the case though? vs people being more excited to get art made by small artists because they arent ai slop.

Because the fatigue with art in general, including human produced, due to the overproduction AI added, is already visible.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by UncleMeat »

ymolodtsov wrote: post #355
UncleMeat wrote: post #73

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AI creation kills cultural sharing. People who create AI music are largely not sharing it with others for any reason other than to create a revenue stream. They are also not consuming new AI music to be able to develop influences and synthesize new ideas. The system builds brick walls where there was once osmosis. How can art evolve under these conditions?

I'm not sure either Linkin Park or my friend's garage band are in any way affected by AI generated music. How do you imagine that happening?

I agree that people who refuse to listen to AI music or create AI music will still continue on the same path as before in terms of the evolution of music.

But AI music can make it even harder for people to eke out a living as musicians, since they are competing with something that costs far less to make. And some people who would otherwise learn how to create music themselves will instead choose not to learn this skill because it is easier to use AI.

The net effect is a diminished culture.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by rozhok »

tmountain wrote: post #203
strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I’ve been involved in one music project or another (bands, albums, solo projects, etc) for the past 25 years. During the pandemic, a friend and I decided to make a record together. We labored over it for almost two years and finally “released it” on bandcamp to very little fanfare. A few friends and family had nice things to say, and one random stranger reached out with positive feedback. I get a monthly stream repor…

Marketing your album is a different kind of work. Thats why labels and whole distribution industry exist in a first place. Bandcamp is not a streaming platform, so you naturally wont get organic listeners here.

Good album, by the way.

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