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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by sham1 »

Oxodao wrote: post #822
thelastgallon wrote: post #804

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't need fast charging. Phones will be left on wireless charging surfaces, which will eventually be ubiquitous. Everyone hates usb-c plug in. Just leave it on a surface, pick it whenever you want. We don't need to fast charge anything, phones or EVs. Slow charging preserves battery life and smart charging will charge whenever it is cheapest.

I've never seen anyone hate usb-c, what world do you live in? And on phones fast-charging's cost on the battery life expectancy is negligible[0] Also, wireless charging is finicky and comes at a cost: way less efficient energy transfer. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLS5Cg_yNdM

Well hatered for USB-C for charging connectors seems to be strong in this thread alongside the dislike for being able to have changeable batteries.

Hell, this thread even has a person whose argument against USB-C is that mandating it will mean that the EU will get conquered by Russia.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by Alpha3031 »

cyberrock wrote: post #793
rythie wrote: post #584

It’s been long enough that people of forgotten what’s it’s like. Cameras still have replaceable batteries, there are several benefits: I can have two (or more) batteries, if it runs out I just change it. I don’t need walk around with a USB battery pack and cable hanging off the device preventing me from using it properly. I can put the battery on charge somewhere and leave it, even if not completely secure, because j…

The final law just makes replacing batteries more accessible (i.e. no glue or special screws), but it doesn't mandate battery packs. Also some devices like hearing aids are exempt. I question whether battery packs would be a good thing to bring back now. USB power banks have 100% interchangeability among many device classes, which is something that not even dry cell batteries achieved. I can choose to leave the house…

Isn't Apple supposedly entering the market this year though? By the time any regulations has passed, they'd probably already be established. Though I agree I don't really see too much point in making batteries quick-swappable rather than just easily swappable as you say considering it's unlikely to be a true hot-swap without requiring a power cycle.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by heavyset_go »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #717
heavyset_go wrote: post #712

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I cannot wait until I can carry a spare battery in my wallet again

Too scary to sit on a battery and possibly breach it. Keep em on your belt like batman.

Living on the edge is part of the fun

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by vachina »

konschubert wrote: post #120

Aren't today's phone batteries already replaceable with commercially available tools? I can walk into a non-apple store with my iPhone and walk out with a replaced battery 20 minutes later. This isn't even what drives obsolesce of phones, it's software updates. If you really want to be able to self-swap your own battery, you can just buy an Android that has a replaceable battery. Do we need to regulate something that…

Not replaceable in the sense of popping it out and putting in a new one in 5 seconds.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by heavyset_go »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #743
heavyset_go wrote: post #712

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I cannot wait until I can carry a spare battery in my wallet again

I carry USB-battery pack or my MagSafe battery. At night I use pass through charging. Works just as well.

This is what I do now, but the convenience of always having at least one spare battery on my person at any time was peak smartphone

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by fingerlocks »

Oxodao wrote: post #822
thelastgallon wrote: post #804

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't need fast charging. Phones will be left on wireless charging surfaces, which will eventually be ubiquitous. Everyone hates usb-c plug in. Just leave it on a surface, pick it whenever you want. We don't need to fast charge anything, phones or EVs. Slow charging preserves battery life and smart charging will charge whenever it is cheapest.

I've never seen anyone hate usb-c, what world do you live in? And on phones fast-charging's cost on the battery life expectancy is negligible[0] Also, wireless charging is finicky and comes at a cost: way less efficient energy transfer. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLS5Cg_yNdM

I hate USB-C. Hi. I do a lot of woodworking and the port easily clogs with sawdust and lint. It was very easy to clean it each day when I had a lightning connector, a common toothpick would suffice.

Now I have to purchase specialized non-marring micro tool scrapers to clean the port without damaging it. The scrapers break after a few cleanings, so this is an ongoing monthly recurring cost. Yeah I can charge wirelessly, but I still don’t want sawdust in my phone hole after a day of ripping wood.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by askl »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #602
askl wrote: post #214

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> If you really want to be able to self-swap your own battery, you can just buy an Android that has a replaceable battery. Those don't really exist anymore. > Do we need to regulate something that isn't a problem? It is a problem and needs to be regulated. > All regulation has downsides, is it worth paying this price here? Of course the upsides of regulations are worth it. The downsides might cause slight inconvenien…

Of course the upsides of regulations are worth it. The downsides might cause slight inconvenience to the manufacturer, so that doesn't really matter. Your next phone will be heavier, bulkier, more expensive, and less reliable as a result of these regulations. It will also probably not run as long between charges. If bureaucrats in Brussels were better at designing phones than Apple, wouldn't they be doing just that?

> Your next phone will be heavier, bulkier, more expensive, and less reliable as a result of these regulations.

Huh, phones are getting heavier, bulkier and more expensive already with every new generation? There's no regulation needed for that. Also more fragile because everything is made of glass.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by silversmith »

pnw wrote: post #651
spaqin wrote: post #644

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We've had thin smartphones with replaceable batteries 15 years ago. That was the standard. Galaxy S5 was the last one in that series, and it's not looking too different from today. It was even IP rated for water! Batteries also don't really die, but you get shorter and shorter life. When a device that barely could make it through 2 days of use now survives for less than one, an "upgrade" seems nicer than it really wo…

The S5 was IP67 rated but only if the USB port flap was sealed. Modern phones like the S24 and iPhones are IP68 rated without covers. As someone who spends a lot of time outdoors in the rain, giving up superior IP68 water resistance for a replaceable battery that I'll never replace will be a downgrade for me.

IP_7 means it's ok with water immersion for up to 30 minutes, down to 1m. You can go swimming with an IP_7 rated device.

IP_8 is "more than 1m, more than 30min water immersion" rating.

"outdoors in the rain" needs IP_5 rating if you want to be safe. You do not need a dive watch to go out in rain.

Even non-waterproof devices are not exactly made of sugar. My first iphone was a 3gs. I want running with the device in an armband. My rain precautions were plugging in 3.5mm earphones, and pointing the charge port downwards. Regularly got caught in rain with it, and the device was completely fine two years later when I sold it.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by ChrisRR »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #778

I used to work for Nokia back when they still made phones. Replaceable batteries were very normal then. Phones were a bit thicker than today but not massively so. These days phones are actually thinner but much larger. I had a "are you happy to see me or is that a Nokia" type Nokia 9300. That was a brick. But it had a full hw keyboard. and flipped open it wasn't that much bigger than a modern smart phone. You could a…

It wasn't even that long ago. My Galaxy S4 had a back plate that clipped on and was still thin
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