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Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by thot_experiment »

spwa4 wrote: post #39
thot_experiment wrote: post #36

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I wonder if Iran being a dictatorship has a cause? Why does the Arab world hate Israel I wonder? Everything you're talking about is basically a direct result of UK, US and israeli bullshit in the area. It's people with exactly the same sort of colonial geopolitical ideas as you that CAUSED THE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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What are you on about lmao, what is "leftist thought". My ideology? I'm not my ideology, my ideology is an ever shifting set of ideals I explore to try to build an internally consistent model for decision making. How in the world does a belief in US/UK meddling being the proximal cause for many of the modern issues in the region have anything to do with the crimes of the Kremlin. Can you please engage with the substance of my claims in any way? I'm not here to defend whatever "leftism" means to you.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by Allfodr »

thot_experiment wrote: post #35
Allfodr wrote: post #31

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Because I don't think US tax money should go toward reparations for Palestine, Lebanon, Iran or anywhere else. We're not 'complicit' in the way you're framing it

The only reason Israel is able to commit the horrors they are is because they can fuck around without finding out due to US protection paid for by our tax dollars, we are absolutely complicit. Of course that's only in the immediate term, I urge you to look at the history of the region even a little critically, so much of the conflict there is rooted in British, American and Israeli meddling, it's an insane take to cl…

No, money has nothing to do with it. The US military aid package to Israel is only around 2-3% of Israel's annual state budget. That's a relatively small amount, and far less significant than people tend to make it out to be.

The US provides this aid because it serves American interests. A large portion of the money is actually spent in the US, benefiting the American defense industry, not just financially but also through technological development and shared innovation.

What Israel truly gains from the relationship with the US is diplomatic cover, mainly the UN Security Council veto. Israel is by far the most condemned country at the UN in terms of resolutions passed against it, whether that's justified or not is a separate debate.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by anal_reactor »

cassianoleal wrote: post #40
anal_reactor wrote: post #32

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> even good guys I assume in your fantasy said "good guys" are the US? https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/09/20-years-us-torture-and-... https://www.numberanalytics.com/blog/ultimate-guide-to-us-wa... https://theconversation.com/operation-condor-the-secret-syst... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

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Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by anal_reactor »

thot_experiment wrote: post #36
anal_reactor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I wonder if Iran being a dictatorship has a cause? Why does the Arab world hate Israel I wonder? Everything you're talking about is basically a direct result of UK, US and israeli bullshit in the area. It's people with exactly the same sort of colonial geopolitical ideas as you that CAUSED THE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

When in doubt, blame the British. The British theorem: all life's problems can eventually be traced back to the British.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by thot_experiment »

Allfodr wrote: post #42
thot_experiment wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason Israel is able to commit the horrors they are is because they can fuck around without finding out due to US protection paid for by our tax dollars, we are absolutely complicit. Of course that's only in the immediate term, I urge you to look at the history of the region even a little critically, so much of the conflict there is rooted in British, American and Israeli meddling, it's an insane take to cl…

No, money has nothing to do with it. The US military aid package to Israel is only around 2-3% of Israel's annual state budget. That's a relatively small amount, and far less significant than people tend to make it out to be. The US provides this aid because it serves American interests. A large portion of the money is actually spent in the US, benefiting the American defense industry, not just financially but also t…

I don't understand what the purpose of making a distinction between monetary support in terms of direct aid, and indirect aid. The entire apparatus of the US government is paid for by our taxes, we pay for it either way. We also pay for it in instability and negative sentiment.

> Israel is by far the most condemned country at the UN in terms of resolutions passed against it

It's crazy to me that you know this and yet it seems like you are still in support of the US protecting Israel? You still think this is a net win for the world? That's incomprehensible to me.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by thot_experiment »

anal_reactor wrote: post #44
thot_experiment wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if Iran being a dictatorship has a cause? Why does the Arab world hate Israel I wonder? Everything you're talking about is basically a direct result of UK, US and israeli bullshit in the area. It's people with exactly the same sort of colonial geopolitical ideas as you that CAUSED THE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

When in doubt, blame the British. The British theorem: all life's problems can eventually be traced back to the British.

They're almost certainly #1 global problem causers so it's usually the safest bet. Though I wouldn't be as expansive as you, the USA, Portugal, Spain and the USSR are no slouches. Can't be forgetting the Dutch either.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by anal_reactor »

thot_experiment wrote: post #46
anal_reactor wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When in doubt, blame the British. The British theorem: all life's problems can eventually be traced back to the British.

They're almost certainly #1 global problem causers so it's usually the safest bet. Though I wouldn't be as expansive as you, the USA, Portugal, Spain and the USSR are no slouches. Can't be forgetting the Dutch either.

So basically all powerful countries cause problems for other countries. Not exactly a resolutionary thing. Don't forget China, Japan, Mongolia, Romans, all sorts of infighting between native American groups before Columbus. And I assume that Africa wasn't exactly a paradise even before colonialism.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by cassianoleal »

anal_reactor wrote: post #43
cassianoleal wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even good guys I assume in your fantasy said "good guys" are the US? https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/09/20-years-us-torture-and-... https://www.numberanalytics.com/blog/ultimate-guide-to-us-wa... https://theconversation.com/operation-condor-the-secret-syst... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

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Why? I'm not the one separating nations between "good guys" and "bad guys".

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by Allfodr »

thot_experiment wrote: post #45
Allfodr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, money has nothing to do with it. The US military aid package to Israel is only around 2-3% of Israel's annual state budget. That's a relatively small amount, and far less significant than people tend to make it out to be. The US provides this aid because it serves American interests. A large portion of the money is actually spent in the US, benefiting the American defense industry, not just financially but also t…

I don't understand what the purpose of making a distinction between monetary support in terms of direct aid, and indirect aid. The entire apparatus of the US government is paid for by our taxes, we pay for it either way. We also pay for it in instability and negative sentiment. > Israel is by far the most condemned country at the UN in terms of resolutions passed against it It's crazy to me that you know this and yet…

> It's crazy to me that you know this and yet it seems like you are still in support of the US protecting Israel? You still think this is a net win for the world? That's incomprehensible to me.

It's crazy to me that you know the UN is literally run by states that actually commit war crimes, kill LGBTQ people, suppress women and minority rights, countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and you still think UN condemnation means anything. They're condemning the only democratic country in the entire Middle East, the one place in the region where these rights actually matter and mean something. Arab citizens can vote, gay people can live openly, women sit in parliament and serve in the military. That's Israel. And that's who they keep putting on trial.

Of course I fully support the aid for Israel.

Re: Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank

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Post by omnimus »

cassianoleal wrote: post #48
anal_reactor wrote: post #43

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Why? I'm not the one separating nations between "good guys" and "bad guys".

You don't understand. The good guys are just giving preventive rocket medicine. The Palestinians and Iranians need it so they won't cause any atrocities. They should be grateful because if they got to live they could do something bad and then feel real bad about themselves.
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