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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by 8note »

kypro wrote: post #261
strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I recently wrote more or less this exact comment on another platform recently (although I've been making music for a while). I was told that I should make music for myself, but I guess I don't really understand that perspective? It's like with code – I used to enjoy writing code in the past, but these days if I want to build something I'll just generate it with AI because most the time it will be quicker and better t…

why are you learning to do woodwork when working wood was already automated away decades or centuries ago?

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by 8note »

zaptrem wrote: post #298
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are very trivial to detect. Today. Trying to detect AI is like extracting water from puddles in a lake that is quickly drying up. What is the point in the short term if it's impractical in the long term? It will catch some low-hanging fruit in the best case, and will find false positives in the worst.

My point is you should consider creating truly undetectable audio end to end with AI to be effectively impossible for the foreseeable future (i.e., I would bet money it is still trivially detectable five years from now). It won't be detectable to humans, though, only models.

in the broad strokes of ai generated, i wouldnt be so sure.

if the ai picked a bunch of samples and combined them together and mastered using an mcp to a DAW, how is that particularly distinguishable vs a person doing the same thing badly?

i can see how the llm generation pictures of spectrograms is essy to spot, but much less so with tool following.

even worse of you using a vla to have it actually play the guitar and use the recording as a sample.

theres some time and setup to make it happen sure, but somebody put that all in a studio and expose an mcp

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by zaptrem »

8note wrote: post #322
zaptrem wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is you should consider creating truly undetectable audio end to end with AI to be effectively impossible for the foreseeable future (i.e., I would bet money it is still trivially detectable five years from now). It won't be detectable to humans, though, only models.

in the broad strokes of ai generated, i wouldnt be so sure. if the ai picked a bunch of samples and combined them together and mastered using an mcp to a DAW, how is that particularly distinguishable vs a person doing the same thing badly? i can see how the llm generation pictures of spectrograms is essy to spot, but much less so with tool following. even worse of you using a vla to have it actually play the guitar a…

Agreed, that’s why I specified end to end (I.e., text to waveform)

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by 8note »

milesvp wrote: post #10

Not sure what algorithm Deezer is using, but Benn Jordan is a fairly tech savvy musician who talks about ways to id AI generated music by looking for compression artifacts used by the training data. https://youtu.be/QVXfcIb3OKo?si=74EdIey6RIhuwdzg

it will still miss the ai authoring the music, and a human performing it

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by ED_Radish »

johnvanommen wrote: post #265
tmountain wrote: post #203

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I’ve been involved in one music project or another (bands, albums, solo projects, etc) for the past 25 years. During the pandemic, a friend and I decided to make a record together. We labored over it for almost two years and finally “released it” on bandcamp to very little fanfare. A few friends and family had nice things to say, and one random stranger reached out with positive feedback. I get a monthly stream repor…

> To me, this is the purpose of the creative journey. Knowing yourself better, and enjoying all of the steps involved in arriving at what is always a surprising destination. That's EXACTLY how I used to feel about creativity. I was an art major who didn't make it, and I found that expressing myself via my hobbies was good for the soul. Then I almost died and completely lost interest in making art! Facing my own morta…

Not a near death experience but similarish. Im trans and from a conservative religious family, so I planned to cut them off and eventually did..

Throughout my teens and young adulthood I immersed myself really deep into drawing and writing. But as my own life has started to form around me, I got a partner who I might have kids with, friends I care about. Ive slowly come to your pov too, and Im wishing I spent less time doing art in the past

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by johannessjoberg »

tmountain wrote: post #220
cyclopeanutopia wrote: post #207

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Please share your bandcamp page!

https://huggyboy.bandcamp.com/album/into-the-wilds

It sounds great man! Thanks for sharing both the story and the album.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by tills13 »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I know this is kind of at odds with this thread in general but

> but I know it requires work (...) to finish it

If you're like me and, when you get to this stage, you tend to burn out and abandon the thing, have you tried using gen AI to get you over that hump?

I love coding and still do but I often reached a point where all the fun, easy things were done and I'd be stuck at 90% with only difficult and boring tasks. I've been using Claude recently to just get me over that hump and finish my projects. It can still be fulfilling if you do it right.

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Post by sovietswag »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

Hey friend, if it helps, every “song” you make will eventually become a symbol and memory of a time in your life. It doesn’t have to be good. Sometimes these sounds have even more fidelity than text when it comes to capturing your emotional state and thoughts at the time. I didn’t realize that for a while but in retrospect all of the “it sounds bad” and “I didn’t finish it” didn’t matter

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by vintermann »

DrewADesign wrote: post #285
tmountain wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been involved in one music project or another (bands, albums, solo projects, etc) for the past 25 years. During the pandemic, a friend and I decided to make a record together. We labored over it for almost two years and finally “released it” on bandcamp to very little fanfare. A few friends and family had nice things to say, and one random stranger reached out with positive feedback. I get a monthly stream repor…

If you didn’t sink a career’s worth of time doing creative work professionally, then that’s a nice relationship to have with creative output. For a lot of people, AI has been one gut-punch after another with someone selling cheap knockoffs of your work in the same marketplace using your munged up work taken without credit, compensation, or permission. Mortgages not paid, cancer not treated, birthday presents not purc…

I don't think highly of AI made stuff uploaded without clear labelling as such.

But it's almost certainly not AI's fault if your mortgage is not paid, your cancer not treated or you can't pay birthday presents for your kids. Music was already extremely "cheap", and success has very little with how much or little work you put into it (extremely unlikely either way).

Let's fund art, but this business model you want to do it by is hardly worth saving.

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Post by dceddia »

strangegecko wrote: post #243
user1847272 wrote: post #190

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> make some money out of this The OP never said this. You and a few other commenters seem to think being heard == being an influencer that’s in it for the money. > and something that would stay in your inner circle of friends. Maybe one of your friends would tell his other group of friends but that would be it. That’s what being heard and appreciated is.

I probably should have provided more context, but it's all rather off topic. However, I guess my life is strange enough so that people made assumptions around my original statements that don't reflect my meaning. Quite frankly, I'm friendless and have very low self esteem and have felt "not good enough" for most of my life. I remember building Lego starships with a friend a long time ago, and I felt that on a fundame…

I resonate with a bunch of this. The idea that what I make is somehow not as good as the “real” version of whatever it is (where “real” is hard to define, but roughly just, always better than what I made).

You mention the emotional neglect and the connection to childhood, and I get the sense you’re interested in figuring it out. It made me think you might like Joe Hudson’s work on YouTube.

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