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Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by viccis »

Lucasoato wrote: post #153
strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I’ve asked an artist if they should be worried about the newest generative AI capabilities. This is his (translated) response: > Artists? Pencil laborers, more like.. I am in favor of using AI in visuals. It will eliminate a lot of mere decorators, and won’t even slightly affect the artists. I hope AI as a technology has the same effect on the world of ART as the invention of photography had: it got rid of a lot of e…

If AI cuts the time it takes to get an acceptable result for him by half, will he also cut his rates by half?

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by poolnoodle »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

Making the art changes you. Don't do it with the goal of having produced 'content' in mind.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by Lucasoato »

viccis wrote: post #251
Lucasoato wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve asked an artist if they should be worried about the newest generative AI capabilities. This is his (translated) response: > Artists? Pencil laborers, more like.. I am in favor of using AI in visuals. It will eliminate a lot of mere decorators, and won’t even slightly affect the artists. I hope AI as a technology has the same effect on the world of ART as the invention of photography had: it got rid of a lot of e…

If AI cuts the time it takes to get an acceptable result for him by half, will he also cut his rates by half?

Ask Monet if photography made his paintings less valuable.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by runarberg »

CharlesW wrote: post #69
cleversomething wrote: post #51

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This is an aside, but thank you for doing this work! As a musician who plays real instruments and submits real songs to Submithub, it's nice to know that hard work is going into validation and prevention of scammers passing off AI as their own talent. Keep fighting the good fight.

"AI detectors" are fun like horoscopes are fun, until they flag your music as AI generated, and distribution channels blacklist you and your label sues you. On the bright side, you can sue the creator of the AI detector in return.

Has this happened to you? Or anyone you know? Or do you know of a lawsuit by a label against an artist for making AI music, and a lawsuit by the same artist against an AI detector for flagging a false positive. This story seems extremely unplausible.

Aside, your analogy doesn’t make sense. Horoscopes are generally not in the business of signal detection, and are usually enjoyed by the reader of the horoscope, like any other art. If you had used a sudoku solver your analogy would make a bit more sense.

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Post by mcmcmc »

mh2266 wrote: post #197
mcmcmc wrote: post #120

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Step 1: ditch the DAW and learn a real instrument Step 2: find a local jam group or community band/orchestra Step 3: have fun playing music with friends

what makes electronic music created in a DAW not “real”?

What? I never said that. A DAW is not a musical instrument, it does not produce sound. You output an audio file, then it’s played through a speaker. It kills the joy of performing in my opinion. That doesn’t make it not music.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by BoredPositron »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

Mhm... it sounds like the main problem is that you like the result more than the actual process.

If you start a new hobby, you should enjoy the time you spend doing it. Of course, every hobby has its chores or tedious parts, but doing it just for the end product or for the validation you get from others will never work in the long run.

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Post by DesaiAshu »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

Fear not, a few of us are building in the direction you're hoping. Leveraging AI to make it easier to stay in a creative headspace with music rather than getting caught in a spreadsheet with endless settings

Sharing is definitely a core part of "why do it", but that can be sharing with friends/family or a living room performance

Some preliminary ideas here: https://songbird.studiocollective.xyz

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by CharlesW »

input_sh wrote: post #92
CharlesW wrote: post #69

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"AI detectors" are fun like horoscopes are fun, until they flag your music as AI generated, and distribution channels blacklist you and your label sues you. On the bright side, you can sue the creator of the AI detector in return.

The only reason you're saying that is because you haven't tried to build such a detector yourself. It's not like text where it's impossible to tell reliably if something's AI generated or not, from a technical perspective it's very trivial to detect anything coming straight out of a Suno/Udio prompt. Nobody open sourced their detection algorithm as that would just trigger a cat-and-mouse game between Suno/Udio and a…

> …from a technical perspective it's very trivial to detect anything coming straight out of a Suno/Udio prompt.

It's trivial to vibe-code something that detects watermarked output and accidental model fingerprints. But next week the watermarks will be defeated, and the accidental fingerprints will change and ultimately disappear. It's not possible to generally solve the "To what degree is this audio AI generated?" problem, any more than it has been to solve the same problem for text and images. https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-wo...

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